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john_s
post Jan 22 2006, 10:57 PM
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I think the Jupiter encounter deserves its own thread.

I've just been taking a first look at the Jupiter encounter geometry. You can do the same using Mark Showalter's excellent on-line ephemeris tools at the PDS rings node, which by good fortune happens to include a New Horizons ephemeris (calculated over a year ago) for our actual launch date, January 19th. We'll have an updated ephemeris soon, but this one's already good enough for planning. As Roby72 noted in the Star 48 thread, the satellites are (annoyingly) all on the opposite side of Jupiter at closest approach. We'll still get good views of all sides of Io because Io rotates in only 1.8 days and we'll be pretty close to Jupiter for that long. We'll get fairly good coverage on Europa too, for the same reason. But we won't get very close to Ganymede or Callisto. Luckily Io is our highest priority satellite target and Europa is next, so we'll do OK.
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post Jan 23 2006, 12:28 AM
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John,

yes the day before (or after), Io must be on the right side of the planet, but I think the high speed of NH makes the distance about equal than on encounter day at the other side (about 2.5 Mio km). Resolution for LORRI (bw imager) should be about 12 km, for RALPH (color) about 50km) This would be nice for plume searching and is about 5 times more resolution in case of LORRI than Cassini had at its Jupiter encounter in Dec. 2000.

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post Jan 23 2006, 12:44 AM
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Any chance NH could image Europa well enough to see if any surface features have changed/moved since Galileo?


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post Jan 23 2006, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 23 2006, 12:44 AM)
Any chance NH could image Europa well enough to see if any surface features have changed/moved since Galileo?
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We'll be looking at Europa but not specifically for that purpose- our images will be far lower resolution than Voyager's and no changes were seen between Voyager and Galileo even at Voyager resolution, and over a longer timespan than between Galileo and NH. Our main goal in imaging Europa will be to look at the peculiar large, shallow, depressions that were seen by Galileo near the terminator- it's one area where we can improve over Galileo. Plus we'll be observing Europa's auroral emissions in Jupiter eclipse.

By the way, here's a table I just sent to the science team, showing the timing and geometry of various significant events during the encounter. Times are spacecraft times, and the numbers will change just a bit once we get a final ephemeris. I've only calculated the times of the eclipses of each satellite that occur closest to the spacecraft- there are many more at greater ranges. "UT" means Universal Time, "mrad" means the angular diameter in milliradians, and "Sub-S/C Lon" means the sub-spacecraft longitude. I couldn't figure out how to align the columns properly without replacing all the spaces with underscores...


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____________________Range___Diam__Solar__Sub-
____Date_______UT___(km)___(mrad)_Phase_S/C_Lon__Event
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February_25__09:45_6334186__0.831___11____349____Ganymede eclipse ingress
February_25__11:45_6222615__0.846___12____352____Ganymede eclipse egress
February_27__10:46_3074450__1.021___40____315____Europa eclipse ingress
February_27__13:18_3045261__1.030___45____321____Europa eclipse egress
February_27__14:20_2734370__1.331___48____303____Io Eclipse ingress
February_27__16:28_2758131__1.320___53____316____Io Eclipse egress
February_28__02:00_2957815__1.061___72____347____Europa closest approach
February_28__05:00_2304575_61.920___82___________Jupiter closest approach
February_28__06:00_3029556__1.737__102_____41____Ganymede closestapproach
February_28__06:30_4153289__1.156___81____353____Callisto closest approach
February_28__22:00_2260221__1.610__118____141____Io_closest approach
___March__1__08:48_2748816__1.324__120____231____Io_eclipse ingress
___March__1__10:58_2951842__1.233__121____248____Io_eclipse ingress
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John.
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post Jan 23 2006, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE (john_s @ Jan 22 2006, 08:40 PM)
We'll be looking at Europa but not specifically for that purpose- our images will be far lower resolution than Voyager's and no changes were seen between Voyager and Galileo even at Voyager resolution, and over a longer timespan than between Galileo and NH.  Our main goal in imaging Europa will be to look at the peculiar large, shallow, depressions that were seen by Galileo near the terminator- it's one area where we can improve over Galileo.  Plus we'll be observing Europa's auroral emissions in Jupiter eclipse.

John.
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Thank you for the information, John. Would New Horizons be able to look for any possible geysers from Europa as well? Might be good practice for similar events in the Pluto system, too.


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"After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance.
I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard,
and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does
not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is
indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have
no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft."

- Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853

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- john_s   NH at Jupiter   Jan 22 2006, 10:57 PM
- - David   QUOTE (john_s @ Jan 22 2006, 10:57 PM)I think...   Jan 22 2006, 11:16 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (David @ Jan 22 2006, 11:16 PM)I think ...   Jan 23 2006, 12:00 AM
- - Roby72   John, yes the day before (or after), Io must be o...   Jan 23 2006, 12:28 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Any chance NH could image Europa well enough to se...   Jan 23 2006, 12:44 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 23 2006, 12:44 AM)An...   Jan 23 2006, 01:40 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (john_s @ Jan 22 2006, 08:40 PM)We...   Jan 23 2006, 05:16 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 23 2006, 12:16 PM)Th...   Jan 23 2006, 10:56 PM
- - Sunspot   How many days/weeks before closest approach will ...   Jan 23 2006, 11:50 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (john_s @ Jan 22 2006, 10:57 PM)I think...   Jan 23 2006, 11:55 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 23 2006, 11:55 PM)...   Jan 24 2006, 09:45 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Judging from the NH Jupiter encounter planning mee...   Jan 24 2006, 02:11 AM
- - Bart   On an extremely amateur basis, I did some (very) b...   Jan 25 2006, 12:11 AM
- - Steffen   So New Horizons will take images of the Gas giant ...   Jan 26 2006, 07:26 AM
|- - ljk4-1   * ASTRONOTES: Derelict Booster to Beat Pluto Probe...   Jan 26 2006, 05:57 PM
|- - MahFL   I think the lens cover on LORRI is designed just t...   Jan 26 2006, 06:09 PM
|- - Comga   QUOTE (MahFL @ Jan 26 2006, 12:09 PM)I think ...   Feb 6 2006, 05:17 AM
|- - tasp   QUOTE (Comga @ Feb 5 2006, 11:17 PM)The doors...   Feb 6 2006, 03:47 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (tasp @ Feb 6 2006, 07:47 AM)I am sure ...   Feb 8 2006, 03:07 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 7 2006, 10:07 PM)Lexa...   Feb 8 2006, 12:20 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 8 2006, 01:20 PM)If ...   Feb 8 2006, 12:34 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 8 2006, 04:20 AM)If ...   Feb 8 2006, 04:31 PM
- - PhilCo126   Don't know about covers on the NH lenses but I...   Jan 27 2006, 06:00 PM
- - Decepticon   Does anyone know what Voyager/Galileo images will ...   Jan 28 2006, 08:41 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 28 2006, 09:41 PM)Doe...   Jan 28 2006, 11:36 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 28 2006, 11:36 PM)My im...   Feb 5 2006, 05:22 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (john_s @ Feb 5 2006, 06:22 PM)Actually...   Feb 5 2006, 06:07 PM
||- - john_s   QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 5 2006, 06:07 PM)That...   Feb 5 2006, 06:59 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (john_s @ Feb 5 2006, 09:22 AM)Actually...   Feb 5 2006, 07:06 PM
||- - john_s   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 5 2006, 07:06 PM)Is moo...   Feb 5 2006, 07:27 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (john_s @ Feb 5 2006, 08:27 PM)Interest...   Feb 5 2006, 07:49 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 5 2006, 11:49 AM)Perhap...   Feb 5 2006, 08:12 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (john_s @ Feb 5 2006, 10:22 AM)Actually...   Feb 6 2006, 08:28 PM
||- - john_s   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 6 2006, 08:28 PM)wha...   Feb 6 2006, 08:51 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (john_s @ Feb 6 2006, 03:51 PM)LORRI ex...   Feb 6 2006, 08:52 PM
|- - Comga   QUOTE (john_s @ Feb 5 2006, 11:22 AM)Actually...   Feb 10 2006, 04:50 AM
|- - tedstryk   I remember seeing an article about New Horizons po...   Feb 10 2006, 11:16 AM
- - icez   Here is Celestia's view of Io and Europa--rela...   Feb 5 2006, 05:43 PM
- - Decepticon   Thanks for those samples! I can't wait...   Feb 5 2006, 07:59 PM
- - tty   Is there any plans for imaging the night side of J...   Feb 5 2006, 09:27 PM
- - djellison   Well - consider the MER MI cover - that's an o...   Feb 6 2006, 03:52 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Jupiter wouldn't be so bright that it could bu...   Feb 6 2006, 03:57 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 6 2006, 03:57 PM)Jup...   Feb 6 2006, 04:57 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Here is the snapshot when NH is around the closest...   Feb 6 2006, 07:28 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Pfaw. The most important thing NH will do at Jupi...   Feb 6 2006, 08:47 PM
- - Decepticon   QUOTE there is no need to image any of the other m...   Feb 7 2006, 01:37 PM
|- - john_s   Maybe you folks can help us... We're now star...   Feb 7 2006, 03:38 PM
- - djellison   The very easiest way for this is if someone can ge...   Feb 7 2006, 03:51 PM
- - hendric   I created a spreadsheet and imported the ephermis ...   Feb 7 2006, 08:33 PM
|- - hendric   OK, so there were a few additional close Io and Am...   Feb 7 2006, 11:17 PM
- - hendric   Here's the reduced spreadsheet.   Feb 7 2006, 11:19 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (hendric @ Feb 7 2006, 11:19 PM)Here...   Feb 9 2006, 05:54 PM
|- - tedstryk   One thing I remember reading in the early 1990s, b...   Feb 9 2006, 10:43 PM
|- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Feb 9 2006, 04:43 PM)One th...   Feb 10 2006, 01:12 AM
- - Bart   Any word yet on the possibility of imaging Himalia...   Feb 8 2006, 01:44 AM
- - djellison   Did you mean to say 'no covers at all' ? ...   Feb 8 2006, 12:24 PM
- - dvandorn   And, the final nail in the Europa-orbit coffin was...   Feb 8 2006, 02:22 PM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 02:22 PM) A...   Feb 15 2006, 05:59 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Last but hardly least, Europa was the one place th...   Feb 10 2006, 02:50 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   That subject has been discussed earlier in this ve...   Feb 10 2006, 02:28 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 10 2006, 02:28 PM)Th...   Feb 10 2006, 06:52 PM
|- - TritonAntares   No smaller Jupiter satellite or any Centaur near N...   Feb 10 2006, 10:04 PM
- - Rob Pinnegar   Geez, that's too bad. This really serves to ...   Feb 10 2006, 03:09 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 10 2006, 07:09 AM)G...   Feb 10 2006, 07:12 PM
- - Bart   TritonAntares: Check out post #3 in "New Hori...   Feb 10 2006, 10:11 PM
- - hendric   John, How quickly can LORRI cycle between pictur...   Feb 14 2006, 05:56 PM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (hendric @ Feb 14 2006, 11:56 AM) J...   Feb 14 2006, 06:38 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (hendric @ Feb 14 2006, 06:38 PM) H...   Feb 14 2006, 07:19 PM
- - hendric   Here's an animation of the Europa/Io encounter...   Feb 14 2006, 07:48 PM
- - hendric   A few more animations. First is of a half-lit E...   Feb 14 2006, 09:59 PM
- - hendric   Two views of the same encounter. One is centered ...   Feb 14 2006, 11:53 PM
|- - tasp   QUOTE (hendric @ Feb 14 2006, 05:53 PM) T...   Feb 15 2006, 04:49 AM
- - hendric   Two Ganymede encounters. 1st is Ganymede passing ...   Feb 15 2006, 04:32 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (hendric @ Feb 15 2006, 04:32 AM) T...   Feb 15 2006, 04:50 AM
- - hendric   Callisto/Jupiter encounter. Timestep is 25 minute...   Feb 15 2006, 04:52 AM
- - hendric   Eclipse encounters. John, I assume you can't ...   Feb 15 2006, 05:58 AM
- - hendric   OK, now that's a little strange. I defintely ...   Feb 15 2006, 05:59 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (hendric @ Feb 15 2006, 05:59 AM) O...   Feb 15 2006, 08:29 AM
- - hendric   There are actually two double shadow transits that...   Feb 15 2006, 08:56 AM
- - hendric   Will you be able to let us know which movies and K...   Feb 20 2006, 04:59 AM
|- - ugordan   I think the problem John is trying to describe is ...   Feb 20 2006, 08:53 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 20 2006, 08:53 AM) T...   Feb 20 2006, 03:35 PM
- - hendric   Ah yes, I forgot that CCDs transfer the pixels dow...   Feb 21 2006, 05:16 AM
|- - john_s   ^^^Your analysis is almost correct- the additional...   Feb 21 2006, 03:24 PM
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- - Jyril   The spots from it formed existed for about 70 year...   Mar 4 2006, 03:52 PM
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|- - john_s   QUOTE (hendric @ Mar 20 2006, 05:48 PM) J...   Mar 20 2006, 11:29 PM
- - Sunspot   Do you have a date for when you expect to start ta...   Mar 21 2006, 12:23 AM
|- - Alan Stern   We will begin the Jupiter data collect at the very...   Mar 21 2006, 06:11 AM
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- - BruceMoomaw   While the Europa Focus Group meeting suggested tha...   Mar 30 2006, 02:49 AM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 29 2006, 06:49 P...   Mar 30 2006, 04:41 AM
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|- - hendric   QUOTE (john_s @ Apr 2 2006, 09:54 AM) It ...   Apr 3 2006, 08:40 PM
- - john_s   So far, it looks like we should be able to do the ...   Apr 3 2006, 08:49 PM
- - hendric   Will you be able to capture the double shadow tran...   Apr 4 2006, 05:32 AM
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