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deglr6328
post Oct 14 2005, 05:01 AM
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How much cryogen does Spitzer have remaining in its dewar? Do they know, or are they just waiting to see a temperature rise after complete boil-off? Can't find much info on the website.
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post Feb 8 2006, 10:14 PM
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If it is determined that Spitzer is of no use once the liquid helium is gone, what's going to be done with it? Send it on a decaying orbit into the sun or just sort of leave it dormant where it's at?
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post Feb 8 2006, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Feb 9 2006, 12:14 AM)
If Spitzer is determined to be of no use once the liquid helium is gone, what's going to be done with it? Send it on a decaying orbit into the sun or just sort of leave it dormant where it's at?
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Definitely not into the Sun. It requires an enormous Delta Vee to get there. The Sun is actually the most difficult place to reach in the Solar System, energy-wise.

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post Feb 8 2006, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE (tty @ Feb 8 2006, 05:31 PM)
Definitely not into the Sun. It requires an enormous Delta Vee to get there. The Sun is actually the most difficult place to reach in the Solar System, energy-wise.

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Really? Crazy....is that just because of outward inertia from the revolution around the sun?

Alright, how about smacking it into the Moon Deep-Impact style? Or else into Earth's atmosphere.smile.gif

I guess I just don't like the idea of it hanging out there as little more than space junk.
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post Feb 8 2006, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Feb 8 2006, 05:43 PM)
Really? Crazy....is that just because of outward inertia from the revolution around the sun?

Alright, how about smacking it into the Moon Deep-Impact style? Or else into Earth's atmosphere.smile.gif

I guess I just don't like the idea of it hanging out there as little more than space junk.
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Could Spitzer be used as a "regular" telescope in some way? Does it have any other instruments that might perform, say solar and interplanetary observations?

Gravity Probe B can no longer perform its main function, but they are finding other uses for it as it is still active. I even recall the famous COBE satellite being used for some kind of satellite testing after it could no longer do major science work.

But let's not blast it from the skies like the USAF did to that poor satellite observing comets hitting the Sun, shall we?

http://heasarc.nasa.gov/docs/heasarc/missions/p78-1.html

http://cometography.com/lcomets/1979q1.html

http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/ASAT/F15ASAT.html

http://www.edwards.af.mil/moments/docs_html/85-09-13.html

http://lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil/solwind.html

Regarding your "space junk" comment, some day those satellites still floating out in the void will be considered highly prized relics of the early Space Age by future exoarchaeologists.


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News Release: 2006-022 February 15, 2006

NASA's Spitzer Finds Violent Galaxies Smothered in 'Crushed Glass'

NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has observed a rare population of colliding galaxies whose entangled hearts are wrapped in tiny crystals resembling crushed glass.

The crystals are essentially sand, or silicate, grains that were formed like glass, probably in the stellar equivalent of furnaces. This is the first time silicate crystals have been detected in a galaxy outside of our own.

"We were surprised to find such delicate, little crystals in the centers of some of the most violent places in the universe," said Dr. Henrik Spoon of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. He is first author of a paper on the research appearing in the Feb. 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal. "Crystals like these are easily destroyed, but in this case, they are probably being churned out by massive, dying stars faster than they are disappearing."

The discovery will ultimately help astronomers better understand the evolution of galaxies, including our Milky Way, which will merge with the nearby Andromeda galaxy billions of years from now.

"It's as though there's a huge dust storm taking place at the center of merging galaxies," said Dr. Lee Armus, a co-author of the paper from NASA's Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. "The silicates get kicked up and wrap the galaxies' nuclei in giant, dusty glass blankets."

Silicates, like glass, require heat to transform into crystals. The gem-like particles can be found in the Milky Way in limited quantities around certain types of stars, such as our sun. On Earth, they sparkle in sandy beaches, and at night, they can be seen smashing into our atmosphere with other dust particles as shooting stars. Recently, the crystals were also observed by Spitzer inside comet Tempel 1, which was hit by NASA's Deep Impact probe

( http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/relea.../release.shtml).

The crystal-coated galaxies observed by Spitzer are quite different from our Milky Way. These bright and dusty galaxies, called ultraluminous infrared galaxies, or "Ulirgs," are swimming in silicate crystals. While a small fraction of the Ulirgs cannot be seen clearly enough to characterize, most consist of two spiral-shaped galaxies in the process of merging into one. Their jumbled cores are hectic places, often bursting with massive, newborn stars. Some Ulirgs are dominated by central supermassive black holes.

So, where are all the crystals coming from? Astronomers believe the massive stars at the galaxies' centers are the main manufacturers. According to Spoon and his team, these stars probably shed the crystals both before and as they blow apart in fiery explosions called supernovae. But the delicate crystals won't be around for long. The scientists say that particles from supernova blasts will bombard and convert the crystals back to a shapeless form. This whole process is thought to be relatively short-lived.

"Imagine two flour trucks crashing into each other and kicking up a temporary white cloud," said Spoon. "With Spitzer, we're seeing a temporary cloud of crystallized silicates created when two galaxies smashed together."

Spitzer's infrared spectrograph spotted the silicate crystals in 21 of 77 Ulirgs studied. The 21 galaxies range from 240 million to 5.9 billion light-years away and are scattered across the sky. Spoon said the galaxies were most likely caught at just the right time to see the crystals. The other 56 galaxies might be about to kick up the substance, or the substance could have already settled.

Others authors of this work include Drs. A.G.G.M. Tielens and J. Cami of NASA's Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif.; Drs. G.C. Sloan and Jim R. Houck of Cornell; B. Sargent of the University of Rochester, N.Y.; Dr. V. Charmandaris of the University of Crete, Greece; and Dr. B.T. Soifer of the Spitzer Science Center.

The Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the Spitzer Space Telescope mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science Center. JPL is a division of Caltech. Spitzer's infrared spectrograph was built by Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. Its development was led by Dr. Jim Houck.

http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/relea...6/release.shtml


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and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance.
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and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does
not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is
indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have
no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft."

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post Feb 15 2006, 09:38 PM
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Distant inferno: Cornell astronomer finds galaxies that contain massive young stars in compact, cosmic globs

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Feb06/...s.Spoon.lg.html

Feb. 15, 2006

By Lauren Gold
lg34@cornell.edu

The discovery makes the fiery environment within a typical spiral or starburst galaxy look almost pastoral. Cornell researchers using the Spitzer Space Telescope say distant galaxies contain an inferno of very young, massive and violently evolving stars, packed together in tiny but extremely powerful cosmic globs.

The key to the discovery, paradoxically, is in the presence of delicate, glittery crystalline silicates called Forsterite. These are glassy particles that exist in the debris disks of young stars and in the stellar wind of very old stars, but which have never before been observed in the mass of gas and dust known as the interstellar medium, or ISM, in the Milky Way or in any other galaxy.

The research, led by Cornell astronomer and Spitzer Fellow Henrik Spoon, will appear in the Feb. 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal.


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"After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance.
I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard,
and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does
not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is
indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have
no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft."

- Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853

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- deglr6328   Spitzer Liquid He   Oct 14 2005, 05:01 AM
- - DEChengst   Don't know about the current estimate, but dur...   Nov 9 2005, 10:13 PM
- - deglr6328   wow, weird that GP-B's only lasted a single ye...   Nov 10 2005, 08:01 AM
- - djellison   But GP-B had to be kept a lot lot colder than Spit...   Nov 10 2005, 09:44 AM
- - deglr6328   mmmnah same temp I think. Superfluid He at ~1.5K. ...   Nov 10 2005, 10:11 AM
|- - tfisher   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 10 2005, 06:11 AM)Or m...   Nov 10 2005, 03:59 PM
|- - hendric   Will Spitzer be useful once the Helium runs out?   Nov 10 2005, 10:29 PM
|- - Circum   Keep in mind that some of GPB's helium was use...   Nov 10 2005, 10:37 PM
- - djellison   Nope - you're right - same temp. - for some re...   Nov 10 2005, 10:30 AM
- - deglr6328   QUOTE (hendric @ Nov 10 2005, 10:29 PM)Will S...   Nov 12 2005, 02:48 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Spitzer Space Telescope article in December, 2005 ...   Dec 5 2005, 05:15 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Astrophysics, abstract astro-ph/0511358 From: Wi...   Jan 16 2006, 08:23 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Astrophysics, abstract astro-ph/0601495 From: Pat...   Jan 24 2006, 07:15 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Paper: astro-ph/0601633 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02...   Jan 30 2006, 07:13 PM
|- - ljk4-1   News Release: 2006-019 ...   Feb 8 2006, 06:41 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Astrophysics, abstract astro-ph/0602146 From: Don...   Feb 8 2006, 06:47 PM
- - Jeff7   If it is determined that Spitzer is of no use once...   Feb 8 2006, 10:14 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Feb 9 2006, 12:14 AM)If Spitze...   Feb 8 2006, 10:31 PM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (tty @ Feb 8 2006, 05:31 PM)Definitely ...   Feb 8 2006, 10:43 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Feb 8 2006, 05:43 PM)Really? C...   Feb 8 2006, 11:41 PM
|- - ljk4-1   News Release: 2006-022 ...   Feb 15 2006, 08:14 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Distant inferno: Cornell astronomer finds galaxies...   Feb 15 2006, 09:38 PM
|- - ljk4-1   NASA's Spitzer Makes Hot Alien World the Close...   Feb 22 2006, 08:06 PM
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