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post Mar 1 2006, 07:33 AM
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...which I decided to attend literally at the last possible minute, which is why I didn't alert you guys in advance. Very interesting -- both the discussions about the likely design of the mission (and how to retrieve it from cancellation), and many of the actual science presentations (which aren't on the Web yet, although they probably soon will be). I'll give you some more information tomorrow -- although I can't resist telling Alex that Tom Spilker's subgroup took my ideas about a Europa penetrator, and the printed information I gave them on the subject, seriously enough to recommend making further inquiries to NASA HQ on it. (And without my browbeating them, either. Nyaah.) The case for it, however, is still extremely far from certain.

As I say, more tomorrow.
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post Mar 7 2006, 08:51 PM
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The Europa Ball has little teeny camera ports -- of the sort that could easily be concealed by a crushed outer layer -- and it carries 16 of them to maximize the chances that some will be pointed in the right direction for both close-up and longer range Post-landing photos. (It seems to have no provision for descent photos -- something else, I think, that needs to be changed and easily could be, even given its lack of attitude stabilization.) One could, I suppose, put the camera lenses outside the crushable layer and run optical-fiber lines to them (which do, in fact, run from the camera ports on the current version to a single CCD, with other optical-fiber lines running from the 12 sample cups to a single Raman spectrometer) -- but I'd assume that such O.F. lines would be extremely vulnerable to damage when the layer is crushed.

So the plan, to repeat, is to make the whole thing so rigid and solid-state that it can survive up to 10,000 G -- as with the most sophisticated penetrator designs. (NASA's tests in the late 1970s included repeatedly crashing penetrators even into solid boulders, with a whole variety of scientific instruments onboard, including seismometers 100 times more sensitive than Apollo's -- and the only one that suffered any problems was a CCD camera on the afterbody.)

As for the history of Luna, the JBIS article (Sept. 2000, by Asif Siddiqi et al) is extremely thorough in its sources, and cites both the most recent and detailed Russian accounts and recently declassified US tracking of the Luna probes to confirm that Lunas 5 and 7 didn't brake at all, while Luna 8, during its tumbling final descent, fired its braking engine for only 9 seconds and then in the wrong direction. There's also a lot of detail on the airbags (including Soviet documents grousing about their design problems) -- the Soviets may have kept silent about them at the time to try to make the landings look more like the more sophisticated full-fledged Surveyor soft landings. The article is co-authored by Timothy Varfolomeyev, who's done somc excellent earlier stuff for JBIS in digging up, archaeologist-style, the true space past of his own nation's former secretive tyranny -- including an earlier JBIS article on the first block of Luna missions (1958-60), which I may report on later over in our "Moon" section.
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- BruceMoomaw   I'm back from the Europa Focus Group meeting...   Mar 1 2006, 07:33 AM
- - nprev   Standing by for that update, Bruce... ... ...and,...   Mar 2 2006, 01:43 AM
- - edstrick   Viking Lander 2 provided essentially no informatio...   Mar 2 2006, 09:01 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   One advantage of a penetrator is precisely that it...   Mar 2 2006, 02:11 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 2 2006, 03:11 PM...   Mar 2 2006, 02:20 PM
- - djellison   I'm having difficulty imagining a Europa impac...   Mar 2 2006, 02:52 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   What we're talking about is similar to Paul Lu...   Mar 2 2006, 05:48 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 2 2006, 12:48 PM...   Mar 4 2006, 04:23 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Mar 4 2006, 04:23 PM)...   Mar 4 2006, 05:40 PM
- - PhilCo126   Interesting post ! Post Scriptum: aren't w...   Mar 2 2006, 06:13 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Mar 2 2006, 06:13 PM) ...   Mar 2 2006, 07:07 PM
|- - vexgizmo   QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Mar 2 2006, 11:13 AM) ...   Mar 3 2006, 01:19 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   If I had a nickel for every time that joke was use...   Mar 2 2006, 08:16 PM
- - djellison   I make a 2km drop to Europa a 72 m/sec impact afte...   Mar 3 2006, 10:12 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yep. The "bowling ball" lander is suppo...   Mar 3 2006, 07:14 PM
- - nprev   4-10K Gs, huh? Gotta admit, the sheer survivabilit...   Mar 4 2006, 12:40 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The tether idea, alas, would work about as well as...   Mar 4 2006, 10:39 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Bruce: The ACME Space Science Corporation (tm) Bo...   Mar 4 2006, 10:56 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 4 2006, 02:39 PM...   Mar 6 2006, 07:04 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 6 2006, 07:04 PM) C...   Mar 6 2006, 07:42 PM
|- - odave   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 6 2006, 02:04 PM) t...   Mar 6 2006, 07:55 PM
- - dvandorn   If we're going to delve into the realm of Loon...   Mar 5 2006, 03:59 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Well, you know, Bugs once stopped a crashing airpl...   Mar 5 2006, 05:57 AM
- - edstrick   For those that don't know it... look for the o...   Mar 5 2006, 07:41 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 5 2006, 07:41 AM) Y...   Mar 5 2006, 09:03 AM
- - edstrick   (notices he can't even spell "Cartoon...   Mar 5 2006, 09:30 AM
- - gpurcell   Just a silly little idea, but why couldn't you...   Mar 5 2006, 03:52 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Mar 5 2006, 10:52 AM) ....   Mar 5 2006, 04:13 PM
- - edstrick   Actually, Ranger A or I think more accurately the ...   Mar 7 2006, 08:17 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The trouble with Rehling's idea is that all th...   Mar 7 2006, 11:32 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 7 2006, 03:32 AM...   Mar 7 2006, 03:44 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 7 2006, 03:32 AM...   Mar 7 2006, 05:49 PM
- - edstrick   And of course the real story only marginally match...   Mar 7 2006, 12:46 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 7 2006, 12:46 PM) A...   Mar 7 2006, 03:56 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The Europa Ball has little teeny camera ports -- o...   Mar 7 2006, 08:51 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Here's a diagram of the Luna 9-style landers...   Mar 7 2006, 09:07 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Mar 7 2006, 09:07 PM...   Mar 7 2006, 09:17 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The article is extremely explicit that there WERE ...   Mar 7 2006, 09:13 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Additional notes: (1) The braking engine was sh...   Mar 7 2006, 09:51 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Getting back to Europa: the most interesting purel...   Mar 7 2006, 10:12 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 7 2006, 10:12 PM...   Mar 7 2006, 10:18 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Bruce, I hadn't known about the inflatable bla...   Mar 7 2006, 10:14 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Bruce: If you get the chance to point us at some ...   Mar 7 2006, 10:18 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Correction: the spectral resolution of the Keck sp...   Mar 7 2006, 10:34 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 7 2006, 10:25 PM...   Mar 7 2006, 10:35 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I wouldn't say it was my FAVORITE hobbyhorse; ...   Mar 8 2006, 01:17 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   There's a short description (and external pict...   Apr 28 2006, 09:26 AM


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