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jamescanvin
post May 2 2005, 01:31 AM
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Just read this interesting article about LRO

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/28apr_lro.htm

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"This is the first in a string of missions," says Gordon Chin, project scientist for LRO at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. "More robots will follow, about one per year, leading up to manned flight" no later than 2020."


One per Year? Is this just wishful thinking or have any tentitve plans been mentioned for follow up missions after LRO? If the next one is going to be 2009/10 then I guess some desisions about it will have to be made fairly soon.

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post Apr 8 2006, 09:09 PM
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What it's supposed to be -- according to Mark Borkowski's talk ( http://www.digitalspace.com/presentations/...kowski-rlep.mp3 ) -- is a vehicle which can later be used, with little modification, as an emergency cargo carrier for any VSE crew that gets stranded on the Moon for a long period of time due to a stand-down of the manned VSE systems. That is, it is -- as he said -- " a lunar equivalent of the Russian Progress cargo carrier", capable of landing as much as 3.5 metric tons of payload on the Moon. Since RLEP-2's official payload is only about a ton, there are currently plans to request additional payloads on it provided by private companies -- as well as consideration of having it carry some equipment to the Moon in advance for the first manned expedition to Shakleton Crater.

HOWEVER; I'm also hearing fuzzy rumors that the current RLEP-2 project is in serious trouble -- which I'll hold off on until I have some details.
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post Apr 8 2006, 09:14 PM
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If there's an impactor mission using the Raytheon proposal, then it may take elements of their previously (allegedly successful) kinetic energy kill vehicle. I've cobbled together a graphic using elements from the Raytheon company site to give an idea of the vehicle - it's got an interesting take on attitude control/translation with rocket nozzles set, I presume, around the vehicle's CG.

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post May 17 2006, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 8 2006, 02:14 PM) *
If there's an impactor mission using the Raytheon proposal, then it may take elements of their previously (allegedly successful) kinetic energy kill vehicle. I've cobbled together a graphic using elements from the Raytheon company site to give an idea of the vehicle - it's got an interesting take on attitude control/translation with rocket nozzles set, I presume, around the vehicle's CG.

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Very cool. Something sci-fi writers rarely seem to get, that kinetic-energy really is a very good way to dump energy into something. When people are busy shooting at each other in space someday, they will likely be firing bullets, not ray guns.
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post May 17 2006, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 17 2006, 10:05 AM) *
Very cool. Something sci-fi writers rarely seem to get, that kinetic-energy really is a very good way to dump energy into something. When people are busy shooting at each other in space someday, they will likely be firing bullets, not ray guns.


Oh please, Don - human beings would NEVER take their aggressions and
other primate behaviors into space.

Is there a sarcasm/irony face available?

FYI - It has already happened at least once. Salyut 3 had a self-defense
gun which it test fired. You can see it here:

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/almaz_ops2.html


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Oh please, Don - human beings would NEVER take their aggressions and
other primate behaviors into space.

Is there a sarcasm/irony face available?

FYI - It has already happened at least once. Salyut 3 had a self-defense
gun which it test fired. You can see it here:

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/almaz_ops2.html


I believe both Russia and the United States have developed anti-satellite satellites. Sven Grahn has a nice page about the Soviet Polyot experiments here: ASAT

When I was at Caltech around 1980, Seasat malfunctioned shortly after launch. There were many interesting rumors circulating about this satellite, from graudate students associated with JPL. One was that the military was able to Fourier-analyze the Seasat data to detect the wakes of nuclear submarines. The other was that the Soviet Union knew that and destroyed the satellite with ground-based laser while it passed over their territory. Just rumors of course...
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- jamescanvin   LRO development   May 2 2005, 01:31 AM
- - tedstryk   If they follow through with it, it will be really ...   May 2 2005, 01:35 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Judging from what I've read: (1) There will ...   May 2 2005, 08:01 PM
|- - tedstryk   That would relate strangely to New Frontiers.   May 2 2005, 11:04 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 2 2005, 01:01 PM)Jud...   May 3 2005, 04:53 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Well, you know, Bush has already blindfolded himse...   May 4 2005, 12:16 AM
- - babakm   New article on LRO: http://science.nasa.gov/headl...   Jul 12 2005, 01:59 PM
|- - SFJCody   LROC site up: http://www.msss.com/lro/lroc/index...   Sep 4 2005, 04:10 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Sep 4 2005, 04:10 PM)LROC si...   Sep 7 2005, 01:05 AM
|- - Rakhir   QUOTE (dilo @ Sep 7 2005, 03:05 AM)Humm, 0.5 ...   Oct 18 2005, 07:05 AM
|- - ljk4-1   http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/ind...8980....   Jan 3 2006, 04:17 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Ominous indication tonight that LRO may be about t...   Sep 16 2005, 05:32 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Stop the presses! No sooner did I write that ...   Sep 16 2005, 05:36 AM
- - edstrick   Somebody said, yesterday -?on another thread?- tha...   Sep 16 2005, 07:11 AM
- - Redstone   Things are starting to move on the Lunar Lander, w...   Sep 30 2005, 08:23 PM
- - jamescanvin   Decent Space Review article this week, giving a go...   Oct 18 2005, 01:38 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   An interesting tidbit from the "In Orbit...   Jan 9 2006, 06:03 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   NASA Developing Robotic Scouts For Lunar Explorati...   Jan 23 2006, 06:42 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Alex, your posts are very useful... Thanks. Phil   Jan 23 2006, 07:08 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 23 2006, 07:08 PM)Al...   Jan 23 2006, 11:17 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   "Trailing cables"? They're kidding,...   Jan 24 2006, 01:16 AM
- - Phil Stooke   The first time they try it, will they have to use ...   Jan 24 2006, 04:24 PM
- - RNeuhaus   A new article from space.com Lunar Reconnaissance...   Feb 8 2006, 07:18 PM
- - Phil Stooke   The irregularities in the gravitational field are ...   Feb 8 2006, 10:01 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 8 2006, 10:01 PM)And...   Feb 9 2006, 12:31 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Alex, you can't really say that Clementine ...   Feb 9 2006, 02:46 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Phil: At least with the later Apollo flights and ...   Feb 9 2006, 09:25 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 9 2006, 02:46 AM)Ale...   Feb 9 2006, 06:24 PM
- - Phil Stooke   It might *just* be possible, Bob, but the tracks w...   Feb 9 2006, 01:23 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 9 2006, 08:23 AM)It ...   Feb 9 2006, 01:49 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 9 2006, 02:23 PM)It ...   Feb 9 2006, 07:42 PM
- - Phil Stooke   No. That information, which is repeated on many w...   Feb 9 2006, 02:09 PM
- - Phil Stooke   One final point, often not appreciated. The laser...   Feb 9 2006, 02:19 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Kaboom! Ancient impacts scarred moon to its co...   Feb 9 2006, 06:05 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Very interesting article: Kaboom! Ancient impa...   Feb 9 2006, 07:04 PM
- - dvandorn   In fact, Bob, the footprints and wheel tracks near...   Feb 9 2006, 10:54 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 9 2006, 11:54 PM)In fac...   Feb 10 2006, 12:00 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 10 2006, 06:00 AM)...Ap...   Feb 11 2006, 12:36 AM
|- - ljk4-1   If this is any help, Lunar Orbiter 3 was able to i...   Feb 11 2006, 04:42 AM
- - Phil Stooke   There are no lunar prospector images! And the...   Feb 10 2006, 03:45 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 10 2006, 03:45 AM)Th...   Feb 10 2006, 05:57 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   On Apollo 12 , Dick Gordon -- from lunar orbit -- ...   Feb 11 2006, 05:31 AM
- - dvandorn   Gordon saw both the LM and Surveyor with his eye, ...   Feb 11 2006, 06:27 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Dolores Beasley Headquarters, Washington Phone: ...   Feb 17 2006, 04:08 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   [size=2]Does anyone have recent info on the RLEP-2...   Apr 3 2006, 07:01 PM
- - Phil Stooke   RLEP-2 will be a brand new spacecraft, so they wil...   Apr 4 2006, 03:01 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   NASA has made it clear that it will land at a pola...   Apr 4 2006, 03:24 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I've dug up some more on this. It turns out I...   Apr 5 2006, 12:12 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 5 2006, 08:12 AM...   Apr 6 2006, 07:08 PM
||- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Apr 6 2006, 03...   Apr 8 2006, 02:04 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   Perhaps the vehicle is already built, as the Blue ...   Apr 8 2006, 03:44 PM
||- - Jim from NSF.com   Maybe so, but there still is no vehicle able to la...   Apr 8 2006, 08:31 PM
|- - PhilHorzempa   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 5 2006, 09:12 AM...   Apr 7 2006, 08:06 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Thanks for this, Bruce. Very nice. The landing a...   Apr 5 2006, 12:35 PM
- - dvandorn   Hiya, Jim. No, this thing wouldn't fly on a C...   Apr 7 2006, 04:37 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   Then this is not going to fly before the LSAM, bec...   Apr 7 2006, 05:00 PM
- - dvandorn   Yep -- if Bruce's information is correct, then...   Apr 7 2006, 05:13 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   I don't see happening until the LSAM contracto...   Apr 7 2006, 05:40 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   What it's supposed to be -- according to Mark ...   Apr 8 2006, 09:09 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   If there's an impactor mission using the Rayth...   Apr 8 2006, 09:14 PM
||- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 8 2006, 02:14 PM) I...   May 17 2006, 02:05 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 17 2006, 10:05 ...   May 17 2006, 02:28 PM
||- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 17 2006, 07:28 A...   May 17 2006, 03:54 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 8 2006, 02:09 PM...   Apr 8 2006, 10:04 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   No, it's just "holding off" on sayin...   Apr 8 2006, 10:56 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Bruce: I suppose that the EKV technology, althoug...   Apr 8 2006, 11:21 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Cowing now confirms that RLEP-2 is in very serious...   Apr 9 2006, 10:41 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Bruce: The mission design as shown in the slide a...   Apr 9 2006, 11:19 PM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 9 2006, 11:19 PM) B...   Apr 10 2006, 12:25 AM
- - RNeuhaus   Many more presentations: http://www.digitalspace...   Apr 10 2006, 12:15 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Apr 9 2006, 06:15 PM) M...   Apr 10 2006, 03:33 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Actually, it's LRO (and its piggyback) that wi...   Apr 10 2006, 03:51 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   One thing that I strangely haven't seen mentio...   Apr 11 2006, 04:10 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   Isn't it about time that RLEP-2 receive a prop...   May 10 2006, 04:53 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I've got some genuinely reliable and wholly un...   May 10 2006, 08:49 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 10 2006, 04:49 A...   May 11 2006, 02:46 PM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ May 11 2006, 02...   May 11 2006, 08:51 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 11 2006, 04:51 P...   May 12 2006, 12:15 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Let me repeat that the fact that RLEP-2 will be mu...   May 12 2006, 01:21 AM
- - Phil Stooke   PhilHorzempa said: "My suggestion is Surveyor...   May 12 2006, 01:59 AM
|- - gndonald   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 12 2006, 09:59 A...   May 13 2006, 10:51 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (gndonald @ May 13 2006, 06:51 AM) ...   May 19 2006, 04:20 PM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Analyst @ May 11 2006, 11:19 PM) B...   May 12 2006, 06:49 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (Analyst @ May 12 2006, 02:19 AM) I...   May 12 2006, 12:20 PM
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- - PhilHorzempa   As for RLEP-2, I don't know enough to judge wh...   May 31 2006, 02:04 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ May 30 2006, 09:04 ...   May 31 2006, 11:05 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ May 30 2006, 10:04 ...   May 31 2006, 02:11 PM
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- - ljk4-1   Is anyone here working on LRO or know someone who ...   Jun 19 2006, 07:20 PM
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