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I thought that it was time to start up a discussion of what we know, or would like to know, about the Soviet Luna Missions. To start off, I have heard many a reference to the landing system utilized by the early landers, such as Luna 9. However, I have yet to find a report, or even a diagram, that shows the sequence of events, or such details as the air bags. If such references do not exist, I hope that some of the UMSF community have Russian contacts that could lead us to the source material before it ends up in the dust bin of history. In addition, I heard of an effort several years ago to obtain ALL of the imagery from Lunakhods 1 and 2. Does anyone know if that effort was able to secure that data? Also, as far as Lunas 15, 18 and 23, the sample-return missions that didn't quite make it home, are there any official reports "out there" that detail what actually occurred to those missions? Or will we have to wait for the high-resolution images from the LRO to determine their fates? Another Phil |
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May 23 2006, 03:46 AM
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Don, could you please fill in a few more details about Kosmos-60? I knew it was stranded in Earth orbit, but I didn't know it had been able to make lunar observations.
By the way, it's good to have you here! Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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May 23 2006, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 22 2006, 08:46 PM)  Don, could you please fill in a few more details about Kosmos-60? I knew it was stranded in Earth orbit, but I didn't know it had been able to make lunar observations. By the way, it's good to have you here! Phil There's a paper by Vinogradov in Moon and Planets. Kosmos-60 was a Luna-8 style probe, which was stranded in its parking orbit due to a block-L malfunctioned. It carried a multichannel gamma-ray spectrometer. It wasn't in the lander, it must have been in the spacecraft bus. The paper is mostly dealing with data that is very noisy, since it was designed to get a lot closer to the Moon, obviously. The Russians did a lot of experiments with particle accelerators, calibrating this instrument to see what kinds of cosmogenic isotopes would be created in lunar basalt and in the spacecraft hull, so they could separate that signal from the natural radioisotope (K, U, Th) radiation from the Moon. They make cautious statements about the actual data being consistant with their calculations and accelerator simulations; that is, a combination of cosmogenic and lunar isotopes. |
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PhilHorzempa Soviet Luna Missions May 4 2006, 03:05 AM
BruceMoomaw We had quite a detailed discussion of the Luna 4 t... May 4 2006, 06:27 AM tasp Luna 23 and Luna 18 were apparently damaged by h... May 4 2006, 12:52 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (tasp @ May 4 2006, 08:52 AM) Luna ... May 4 2006, 01:53 PM
Dyche Mullins QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 4 2006, 06:53 AM... May 4 2006, 08:42 PM ljk4-1 QUOTE (Dyche Mullins @ May 4 2006, 04:42 ... May 4 2006, 09:09 PM tedstryk QUOTE (tasp @ May 4 2006, 12:52 PM) Luna ... May 4 2006, 02:45 PM gndonald The Astronautix.com website has a good timeline of... May 4 2006, 02:08 PM gndonald This is a follow up to my earlier post (see above)... May 4 2006, 04:54 PM Phil Stooke Following up on a couple of points here... I'm... May 4 2006, 06:34 PM ljk4-1 In the early 1990s, Andrew Lepage wrote in the onl... May 4 2006, 07:20 PM BruceMoomaw If you REALLY like Luna 15 conspiracy theories, Al... May 4 2006, 10:34 PM gndonald Hopefully the last word on Luna 15 conspiracies. T... May 5 2006, 03:19 AM 4th rock from the sun
Finally I've finished one of my projects: m... May 6 2006, 01:48 AM tedstryk QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 6 2006, 01... May 6 2006, 02:59 PM DonPMitchell Very cool. Where did you find a good picture of f... May 7 2006, 02:45 AM 4th rock from the sun QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 7 2006, 03:45 A... May 7 2006, 11:05 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 7 2006, 04... May 9 2006, 10:02 AM 4th rock from the sun QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 11:02 A... May 9 2006, 01:55 PM RJG QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 9 2006, 01... May 9 2006, 07:54 PM 4th rock from the sun QUOTE (RJG @ May 9 2006, 08:54 PM) MP3 is... May 9 2006, 10:34 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 9 2006, 03... May 10 2006, 12:32 AM ljk4-1 QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 08:32 P... May 10 2006, 11:32 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 10 2006, 04:32 A... May 10 2006, 02:06 PM 4th rock from the sun QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 10 2006, 12:32 P... May 10 2006, 09:23 PM gndonald QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 6 2006, 09... May 7 2006, 06:05 AM Phil Stooke Here is a mosaic of Zond 3 images which I made a w... May 7 2006, 08:19 PM tedstryk Very impressive.
This Zond image is another favor... May 7 2006, 10:37 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 7 2006, 03:37 PM) V... May 9 2006, 10:12 AM tedstryk QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 10:12 A... May 9 2006, 10:25 AM 4th rock from the sun QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 7 2006, 09:19 PM... May 10 2006, 11:45 PM Decepticon Thanks so much for posting that!
I've bee... May 11 2006, 01:21 AM edstrick I've wanted to play with the Luna 3 images for... May 11 2006, 09:41 AM 4th rock from the sun
Just to see how much of the Moon was covered by... May 12 2006, 12:00 AM DonPMitchell Great Zond-3 mosaics!
To answer you question ... May 15 2006, 04:48 AM Phil Stooke 4th Rock, I am very impressed with your Zond 3 mos... May 15 2006, 06:42 AM 4th rock from the sun Thanks all for the info and kind words!
I ju... May 15 2006, 04:02 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 15 2006, 0... May 15 2006, 04:35 PM Bob Shaw Don:
Perhaps, in your researches into the Soviet ... May 15 2006, 06:43 PM tedstryk QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 15 2006, 06:43 PM) ... May 15 2006, 07:22 PM Bob Shaw Interestingly, the Astronautix.com page has a pict... May 15 2006, 08:49 PM BruceMoomaw One of the cartoons we saw earlier (or at least I ... May 15 2006, 10:59 PM DonPMitchell Yes indeed, the Soviets used airbags to land on th... May 15 2006, 11:57 PM BruceMoomaw Yeah, we discussed a lot of this over at (of all p... May 16 2006, 01:23 AM edstrick I suspect that for the Luna-3 data, fourier or wav... May 16 2006, 09:49 AM Bob Shaw Don:
Excellent information, thanks! I think I... May 16 2006, 12:22 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 16 2006, 05:22 AM) ... May 16 2006, 03:20 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (edstrick @ May 16 2006, 02:49 AM) ... May 16 2006, 02:35 PM DonPMitchell Here's a piece from Boris Chertok, describing ... May 16 2006, 03:33 PM djellison QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 16 2006, 04:33 ... May 16 2006, 03:46 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (djellison @ May 16 2006, 08:46 AM)... May 16 2006, 04:16 PM Toma B QUOTE (djellison @ May 16 2006, 05:46 PM)... May 16 2006, 04:19 PM Bob Shaw B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ May 16 2006, 05:19 PM... May 16 2006, 05:47 PM PhilHorzempa Does anyone have images of the Moon produced by th... May 20 2006, 04:07 AM 4th rock from the sun Back to the Luna 3 images... I wasn't happy wi... May 21 2006, 09:01 PM Bob Shaw Ricardo:
Great work!
Do you think any of tho... May 21 2006, 09:09 PM 4th rock from the sun QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 21 2006, 10:09 PM) ... May 21 2006, 10:33 PM tedstryk Beautiful! May 21 2006, 09:24 PM DonPMitchell Beautiful work. If I ever can get my hands on the... May 21 2006, 11:01 PM BruceMoomaw QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 21 2006, 11:01 ... May 23 2006, 01:19 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 22 2006, 06:19 P... May 23 2006, 03:26 AM ljk4-1 QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 22 2006, 11:26 ... May 23 2006, 01:42 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 23 2006, 06:42 A... May 23 2006, 03:33 PM Phil Stooke The Luna 19 and 22 cameras were not great from a s... May 22 2006, 02:23 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 21 2006, 07:23 P... May 22 2006, 05:46 AM Phil Stooke PhilHorzempa asked about Luna 19 and Luna 22 image... May 23 2006, 06:53 PM BruceMoomaw There's been quite a lot written recently by B... May 25 2006, 12:06 AM 4th rock from the sun Here's an updated Zond 3 mosaic. I did some re... May 25 2006, 12:23 AM Ian R Wow! Great work!
Is that the eastern r... May 25 2006, 03:23 AM ustrax QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 25 2006, 0... May 25 2006, 08:31 AM ilbasso I think that has to be the first Russian image whe... May 25 2006, 01:15 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (ilbasso @ May 25 2006, 06:15 AM) I... May 26 2006, 06:54 PM ljk4-1 Check this out - a scale model of Luna 24 complete... Jun 3 2006, 06:33 PM DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 3 2006, 11:33 AM... Jun 3 2006, 06:58 PM tedstryk QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 3 2006, 06:58 P... Jun 3 2006, 10:35 PM PhilHorzempa I have looked through this thread and other Luna t... Jun 8 2006, 04:07 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Jun 7 2006, 09:07 P... Jun 8 2006, 05:26 AM PhilHorzempa QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 8 2006, 01:26 A... Jul 21 2006, 03:41 AM DonPMitchell The wealth of information is in Russian. There ar... Jul 21 2006, 06:40 AM Phil Stooke I have just made a polar pan of Luna 13's land... Sep 25 2006, 06:00 PM tedstryk Cool...I did something similar with Luna-9 a while... Sep 25 2006, 09:03 PM DonPMitchell Very cool. Can't wait to see your book, Phil. Sep 26 2006, 12:15 AM Phil Stooke Thanks. Book update: It's finished. The last... Sep 26 2006, 12:58 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 25 2006, 05:58 P... Sep 26 2006, 02:05 PM Phil Stooke Here's the Luna 9 counterpart. A rougher land... Sep 26 2006, 01:31 PM djellison "I'd like to thank the members of UMSF wi... Sep 26 2006, 01:34 PM Phil Stooke Don - just Word. Cambridge does all the page setu... Sep 26 2006, 03:03 PM Ian R Phil,
Is there any chance you would consider auth... Sep 26 2006, 06:09 PM Phil Stooke Oddly enough I have considered that. But unfortun... Sep 26 2006, 06:14 PM nprev Need an extra writer for some utility work? I... Sep 27 2006, 01:44 AM edstrick Phil... absolutely INSIST on final galley proofs.
... Sep 27 2006, 09:22 AM Phil Stooke Good point, ed... and thanks everyone for your sup... Sep 27 2006, 01:19 PM tedstryk I hope that the Luna 16 and 24 panoramas are in th... Sep 27 2006, 02:28 PM Phil Stooke Don Mitchell also reported that information about ... Sep 27 2006, 09:46 PM tedstryk Did you have any luck digging up Luna-20 imagery? ... Sep 27 2006, 10:15 PM edstrick Didn't one of the Luna sample return missions ... Sep 28 2006, 09:28 AM Phil Stooke Lunas 15, 16, 18 and 20 carried twin cameras mount... Sep 28 2006, 12:15 PM DonPMitchell I was told by Arnold Selivanov that Luna-16 return... Sep 28 2006, 02:35 PM |
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