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What did you expect?, The day they landed, what did you expect the MERs to achieve?
Stu
post Jul 13 2006, 08:14 PM
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Having survived two years on Mars, obviously both MERs have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams... but I'm curious. What did everyone expect/hope them to go on to achieve on those heady landing days? How far did you think they'd get? What did you think would be their "best picture"? How long did you think they'd survive?

Might be interesting to compare our hopes and dreams with the reality... smile.gif


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post Jul 14 2006, 09:12 AM
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Great replies and memories guys, thanks smile.gif

As for me, well, being the Mars nut that I am I was almost unbearably excited when it came to landing day(s), having sat here at my PC watching the launches of both MERs on tiny Real Player boxes all those months previously. The night before Spirit landed I was actually a guest - the token "amateur astronomer and space enthusiast" panel member! - on a BBC Radio 5 phone in show, which linked people in Carlisle (me), London (I can't remember which author/scientists it was now... I think it was Ian Ridpath... yes, pretty sure it was...) and a MER team member over at JPL (definitely can't remember who that was now!) to discuss the next day's big events. I remember sitting in the studio, on my own, at midnight (cos of the time difference), with the big clunky headphones on thinking wow... Spirit's closing in on Mars right now, as I sit here...

( Sadly, the phone-in, which was supposed to be a serious discussion about what discoveries the rovers might make in the DAYS ahead turned into a pathetic "Couldn't the money be spent on better things?" tirade by irate callers, thanks to the go-for-the-easy-and-cheap-shot attitude of the presenter, Richard Bacon (UK board members will be nodding, thinking "Ah, no surprise there...") and Ian and I both got very frustrated with the whole thing, as the science and discovery aspects were swept aside by Angry From Milton Keynes rants about how the money should have been spent on things "down here"... the same people I'm sure who don't think twice about renting DVDs, buying takeaways or... well, don't get me started... and I went home very annoyed. But it was so late when I got back that the landing itself was just hours away, so I stayed up, bleary-eyed, and gulped down huge amounts of coffee before the coverage started...

... and as the first pictures came in I really thought that we were going to see "more of the same", thatw e'd have a couple of months, maybe six, of pictures of rocks and dunes, like a mobile Viking. The Columbias seemed like they were on the end of a martian Oregon Trail, so far out of reach they weren't even worth thinking about never mind aiming for... Then Oppy landed, that amazing cosmic hole in one in Eagle Crater, and I just thought "Well, that's it, better get used to this scenery, gonna be here a while..."

But as time passed and the rovers went on their way I began to think that yeah, this was going to be different after all. This was discovery, a trek, a genuine adventure. New pictures every day, new discoveries, new speculations... I've said it before, I know, but it really began to feel like walking alongside Lewis and Clark, seeing new landscapes and landmarks with every sunrise...

I hoped for maybe 6 months of life on Mars from one rover, with the other meeting some kind of accident or technical failure, I certainly never expected both to survive. I hoped that one of the rovers would manage to snap one image showing Earth in the sky. Yep, did that. I hoped that one of the rovers would find a meteorite on Mars, being a meteorite collector myself. Yep, did that too. smile.gif

And it's just been one met challenge after another since then. I remember when Spirit stood at the foot of the Columbias, staring up at the summit of Husband, half a light year above the Gusev plain, and thinking "No way...!" But she did it. smile.gif

What I didn't expect, and others have touched on this, is just how personally involved I would feel in these missions. I thought NASA might release a few pictures each week - yet every day there are dozens of new images, higher resolution than I dared imagine. I thought I'd maybe check for new pictures a couple of times a week - but I drool over new images several times a day, given the chance; I thought there'd be a couple of Forums where people would discuss NASA images - I never dreamed there'd be a place like this where people would take raw images and turn them into literally stunning works of art, unique and beautiful. I thought I'd get blase about the rovers, and not think of them as anything more than mere machines, but I find myself actually worrying about them, and hating the idea of Spirit dragging that wheel behind her in a race against time to find a slope to survive the winter on. It's crazy! They're just machines! But they're not, they're real to us, and they're our eyes on and ambassadors to this fascinating, brutal, beautiful world called Mars, and god, I'm going to miss them when they're gone.

The biggest and best surprise has been being able to share this adventure with other people, the people reading this; when I sat there on that sleep-deprived morning, watching Spirit's first images appear on my screen, smiling like an idiot at the sight of the airbags crumpled around the lander, I thought "Well, here we go, six months of lonely screen staring, nobody else 'getting it'..."

You all 'get it', and I'm not alone when I look out at this new Mars. And that's wonderful. smile.gif


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- Stu   What did you expect?   Jul 13 2006, 08:14 PM
- - djellison   Squyres is on record saying that he thought, 120 -...   Jul 13 2006, 08:27 PM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 13 2006, 08:27 PM)...   Jul 20 2006, 01:12 AM
- - climber   QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 13 2006, 10:14 PM) Havin...   Jul 13 2006, 08:34 PM
- - bigdipper   QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 13 2006, 08:14 PM) Might...   Jul 13 2006, 09:40 PM
- - Mizar   Stu, great thread ! Never, never expected tha...   Jul 13 2006, 09:59 PM
- - dvandorn   When Spirit took a look around, I figured that, if...   Jul 14 2006, 01:39 AM
- - jamescanvin   I remember talking to my dad about Beagle 2 and sa...   Jul 14 2006, 02:29 AM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   I thought 130... 150... maybe even 200 sols. As f...   Jul 14 2006, 03:17 AM
- - fredk   I remember clearly how after Bonneville Spirit...   Jul 14 2006, 04:32 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   I was expecting nothing, from some spiritual train...   Jul 14 2006, 05:50 AM
- - MarsEngineer   I can't speak for the rest of the gang, but I ...   Jul 14 2006, 06:07 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (MarsEngineer @ Jul 14 2006, 08:07 ...   Jul 14 2006, 11:06 AM
- - mchan   After the landings and the slow initial journeys, ...   Jul 14 2006, 06:13 AM
- - MarsEngineer   From the little data we got from MPF and Sojourner...   Jul 14 2006, 06:34 AM
|- - Eluchil   Hi all! I've been a lurker for a good whi...   Jul 14 2006, 08:20 AM
- - Tesheiner   I remember when the rovers landed and my idea was ...   Jul 14 2006, 07:12 AM
- - Stu   Great replies and memories guys, thanks As for...   Jul 14 2006, 09:12 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   Oppy's landing place was really a shock to me....   Jul 14 2006, 08:50 PM
- - Myran   Gusev was quite a disappointment to me at first gl...   Jul 14 2006, 09:54 AM
- - arccos   Do you remember problems of Spirit several days fo...   Jul 14 2006, 11:10 AM
- - djellison   The low point was Pete saying "There is no on...   Jul 14 2006, 11:11 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 14 2006, 01:11 PM)...   Jul 14 2006, 11:21 AM
|- - ustrax   I expected fossiles, abysses, crawling creatures, ...   Jul 14 2006, 11:50 AM
- - Reckless   Hi Guys I agree with just about everything Stu s...   Jul 14 2006, 12:17 PM
- - djellison   Actually I do the same thing. When refering to the...   Jul 14 2006, 12:19 PM
- - akuo   A little before the MER launches, KSC was holding ...   Jul 14 2006, 01:15 PM
- - centsworth_II   I remember being upset and depressed when I saw th...   Jul 14 2006, 03:13 PM
|- - silylene   Initially I expected perhaps a 120 day mission. I...   Jul 14 2006, 04:05 PM
- - Bill Harris   I was expecting a lot less than what we've got...   Jul 14 2006, 03:39 PM
- - Bubbinski   I remember watching the landings live, and I'd...   Jul 14 2006, 03:47 PM
- - hendric   Hey Rob, Any plans for an Imax documentary for M...   Jul 14 2006, 04:07 PM
|- - SFJCody   I remember following Nozomi, Mars Express, Beagle ...   Jul 14 2006, 04:35 PM
- - john_s   I loved what Stu wrote about this community. I to...   Jul 14 2006, 04:46 PM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 14 2006, 09:12 AM) The b...   Jul 18 2006, 02:49 AM
|- - Marz   QUOTE (DFinfrock @ Jul 17 2006, 09:49 PM)...   Jul 19 2006, 09:28 PM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (Marz @ Jul 19 2006, 09:28 PM) I se...   Jul 20 2006, 12:25 AM
- - ToSeek   I remember all but laughing at someone, either on ...   Jul 14 2006, 05:12 PM
- - ljk4-1   Back in early 2005, Steve Squyres went on informal...   Jul 14 2006, 05:27 PM
- - RobertEB   QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 13 2006, 03:14 PM) Havin...   Jul 14 2006, 05:43 PM
- - gpurcell   After the landing, it was my extravagent hope that...   Jul 14 2006, 06:02 PM
- - Bill Harris   >I remember seeing this image and thinking Wow...   Jul 14 2006, 06:11 PM
- - jamescanvin   Just to add one more memory. I was in Madagascar ...   Jul 15 2006, 12:14 AM
- - ljk4-1   NASA just posted a news item on the upcoming Vikin...   Jul 15 2006, 03:13 AM
- - Nix   First of all, I was real glad launch went fine for...   Jul 15 2006, 10:00 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   Another interesting result is that, despites the f...   Jul 15 2006, 12:01 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jul 15 2006, 01...   Jul 15 2006, 06:29 PM
- - Bill Harris   International, indeed. Remember the Frappr site: ...   Jul 15 2006, 06:26 PM
- - MarsEngineer   Hi Climber, Thanks for the kind words. Ironically...   Jul 15 2006, 07:41 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (MarsEngineer @ Jul 15 2006, 12:41 ...   Jul 15 2006, 08:19 PM
|- - MarsEngineer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jul 15 2006, 01:19 PM...   Jul 15 2006, 09:37 PM
- - MarsEngineer   I just noticed that Spirit hit 900 Sols last night...   Jul 15 2006, 09:51 PM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (MarsEngineer @ Jul 15 2006, 09:51 ...   Jul 15 2006, 10:26 PM
|- - MarsEngineer   Thanks Ken. Very much appreciated (I just noticed ...   Jul 15 2006, 11:04 PM
- - djellison   Just thinking - 83ish Sols for Pathfinder, with So...   Jul 15 2006, 10:03 PM
- - Oersted   Rob, just want to say how much I appreciate you gu...   Jul 18 2006, 09:22 PM
|- - MarsEngineer   QUOTE (Oersted @ Jul 18 2006, 02:22 PM) R...   Jul 19 2006, 09:20 PM
- - Joffan   What did I expect... I guess I didn't think a...   Jul 19 2006, 02:17 AM
- - dvandorn   As long as, every day, we can ask "where are ...   Jul 19 2006, 02:33 AM
- - CosmicRocker   For me, I was just hoping Sprit could crawl to the...   Jul 19 2006, 05:28 AM
- - kenny   What did I expect at the beginning...? Well, I re...   Jul 19 2006, 10:09 PM
- - climber   Talking about longevity, I wonder for how long wer...   Jul 21 2006, 11:16 AM
- - djellison   There were motors to open the petals of the lander...   Jul 21 2006, 11:31 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 21 2006, 01:31 PM)...   Jul 21 2006, 11:38 AM
- - remcook   To be honest, I didn't really have expectation...   Jul 21 2006, 11:32 AM
- - ljk4-1   Have they determined how "sticky" Martia...   Jul 21 2006, 02:56 PM


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