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post Sep 29 2006, 11:01 PM
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What if Mariner 4's flyby had occurred right across Tharsis & Coprates Chasma, showing volcanoes & canyons instead of heavily cratered terrain? (I understand that trajectory determinants prevented this from happening, of course, but still...). Do you suppose that Mars exploration would have been thrown into hyperdrive during the heady '60s, perhaps enough to sustain manned efforts beyond Apollo?

Doug, my apologies if this is OT for this section...there seem to be some interesting implications here for the imaginative, though.


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post Oct 2 2006, 10:07 AM
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Mariner 2 flew with a lot of luck, but it was the real working prototype (based on Ranger) for the Mariner series, starting in mature form with Mariner Mars 64. The near total success of Mariner 2 proved that the essential design was right, and just needed maturing.

There were two real problems on Mariner 2. The Microwave Radiometer was apparently damaged during launch, I think they suspected a thermal shroud was damaged. One of the 2 channels was greatly reduced in sensitivity, and it's response was actually reversed! The other worked reasonably well. This sort of problem was instrument-specific, of course.

The spacecraft overheated badly, and failed not long after the Venus encounter, quite likely due to the overheating. Getting thermal control "right" took time. Modeling was not adequate, and in-space behavior of materials didn't match predictions as they outgassed, changed color, whatever. Mariner 4 actually carried an engineering experiment, besides it's science instruments and the experimental solar light pressure stabilization paddles. It carried a small set of candidate thermal control "plaques" on the sun-facing side of the main body of the spacecraft, with a temperature sensor behind each one to monitor it's temperature changes relative to predicted values as the mission proceeded.

Teeny-tiny "micro-experiments" like that can often be fitted on missions and return significant value for the future. The Magnets on Mars landers are also "micro-experiments", as was Geoff Landis's (I think) dust accumulation experiment of the Sojourner rover.
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post Oct 2 2006, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 2 2006, 05:07 AM) *
Mariner 4 actually carried an engineering experiment, besides it's science instruments and the experimental solar light pressure stabilization paddles.

Maybe it's just because I started following space exploration back in the 60s, but I have always been mystified by the negative reaction to "engineering experiments" on board any type of space probe.

I know, we can now use computer models to predict the operation of engineering systems. However, such models are only as accurate as the data input into them. It seems to me that, if an engineer feels the need to gather empirical data to support a model, it should be allowed if at all possible.

Engineering experiments might not return a ton of data about the planets, but they can make possible the next generations of spacecraft that *will* return such data. As such, I think they ought to be embraced and not sneered at...

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- nprev   Mariner 4 Alternate Universe   Sep 29 2006, 11:01 PM
- - DonPMitchell   What if Mars-1 had worked and returned 1440 x 1440...   Sep 30 2006, 02:53 AM
- - Myran   Even worse, if von Brauns vision actually had been...   Sep 30 2006, 09:06 AM
- - DonPMitchell   Well I've been told to shut up whenever I...   Sep 30 2006, 04:17 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 30 2006, 12:17 ...   Sep 30 2006, 04:24 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Sep 30 2006, 09:24...   Sep 30 2006, 07:27 PM
- - dvandorn   Here's an attempt to hijack the thread and kee...   Sep 30 2006, 07:31 PM
- - nprev   Adroitly hijacked, oDoug! In answer to your...   Sep 30 2006, 08:53 PM
- - Myran   Im not that certain I agree with you dvandorn. At...   Sep 30 2006, 09:10 PM
- - OWW   What if the Mariner pictures had shown a Lowellian...   Sep 30 2006, 10:22 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (OWW @ Sep 30 2006, 03:22 PM) What ...   Oct 2 2006, 02:59 PM
|- - angel1801   I believe that first impression of a body (ie plan...   Oct 2 2006, 03:30 PM
- - Decepticon   Could someone here try to recreate what Mariner 4 ...   Oct 1 2006, 02:41 AM
- - Bill Harris   Back then we thought that we were masters of the u...   Oct 1 2006, 06:37 AM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Sep 30 2006, 11:37 P...   Oct 1 2006, 07:20 AM
- - DonPMitchell   I'll take a stab at that simulation, but this ...   Oct 1 2006, 07:15 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Oct 1 2006, 02:15 A...   Oct 3 2006, 02:35 AM
|- - helvick   Doug, Don's messages refer to these attachmen...   Oct 10 2006, 09:45 PM
- - edstrick   The Mariner 4 sim looks entirely reasonable. Note ...   Oct 1 2006, 09:17 AM
- - DonPMitchell   Mariner-9 was a turning point for American probes,...   Oct 1 2006, 03:51 PM
- - nprev   Couldn't agree more. Mariner 9 clearly establi...   Oct 1 2006, 04:16 PM
- - DonPMitchell   James Burke wrote that they kept a picture of Vene...   Oct 1 2006, 07:44 PM
- - edstrick   Mariner 2 flew with a lot of luck, but it was the ...   Oct 2 2006, 10:07 AM
|- - tedstryk   I have always thought that a problem with the Sovi...   Oct 2 2006, 11:10 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 2 2006, 05:07 AM) M...   Oct 2 2006, 03:32 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 2 2006, 03:07 AM) M...   Oct 2 2006, 05:36 PM
|- - tedstryk   Granted, given the horrible luck of the early U.S....   Oct 3 2006, 12:31 AM
- - MizarKey   What happened to Don's Mariner 4 simulation im...   Oct 10 2006, 09:19 PM
|- - ugordan   Maybe he accidentally erased all his attachments a...   Oct 10 2006, 09:32 PM
- - djellison   Nothing done by me or the team. Doug   Oct 10 2006, 09:33 PM
- - djellison   We've not touched them. If they've gone, t...   Oct 10 2006, 10:03 PM


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