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post Mar 3 2006, 06:56 PM
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post Feb 18 2007, 11:54 PM
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Fascinating idea that this might not be Galileo's GRS...but if you think about it this makes sense. Jupiter's atmosphere is so dynamic that it's ridiculous to think of the GRS as a permanent feature in terms of geological time.

I recall some simulations a few years ago that indicated that a Spot-like storm almost always arose given a Jovian planet's assumed atmospheric properties, rotation rate, etc. But, it apparently doesn't have to be the same Spot every time. My question is whether two or more of similar magnitudes could be sustained, or does one have to die before another can fully form? huh.gif


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post Feb 19 2007, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 18 2007, 06:54 PM) *
I recall some simulations a few years ago that indicated that a Spot-like storm almost always arose given a Jovian planet's assumed atmospheric properties, rotation rate, etc. But, it apparently doesn't have to be the same Spot every time. My question is whether two or more of similar magnitudes could be sustained, or does one have to die before another can fully form? huh.gif

James Gleick's book Chaos referenced a 1985 paper that showed how a GRS would appear on Jupiter. The photos from the book are amongst these animations. There are some pretty neat videos there.
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post Feb 22 2007, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 18 2007, 05:25 PM) *
James Gleick's book Chaos referenced a 1985 paper that showed how a GRS would appear on Jupiter. The photos from the book are amongst these animations. There are some pretty neat videos there.


I'm always suspicious of modeling results that predict the past, but they're an interesting start towards science. Note that Saturn doesn't have a great red spot, and it's pretty similar to Jupiter. Also note that Jupiter's northern hemisphere doesn't have a great red spot.

There's more than one Internet kook who insists that the GRS reflects phenomena taking place at/in Jupiter's solid core, rather than being purely a fluid dynamic phenomenon in the upper atmosphere. While it's kooky to insist so, it's an interesting conjecture. It would certainly be nice to know more about the inner 50% of Jupiter, and Juno should be an exciting mission and would be even if it had no camera at all.
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- Sunspot   New Red Spot   Mar 3 2006, 06:56 PM
- - RedSky   Uh Oh! Must be all those accumulating Monol...   Mar 3 2006, 10:22 PM
- - Decepticon   RE: New Red Spot   Mar 3 2006, 11:12 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah -- but in that case, who's down there pai...   Mar 4 2006, 06:09 AM
- - TritonAntares   Didn't mention this so far... Does anyone kn...   Mar 4 2006, 10:29 AM
|- - dilo   Veeery interesting, I wonder if Hubble or Keck AO ...   Mar 4 2006, 11:27 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Mar 4 2006, 10:29 ...   Mar 4 2006, 11:44 AM
|- - stevesliva   It's interesting to read the the Great Red Spo...   Mar 4 2006, 03:52 PM
- - Decepticon   I can't wait to see Kecks or Hubbles views.   Mar 5 2006, 05:56 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Pioneer 10 saw a similar smaller red spot during i...   Mar 8 2006, 03:33 PM
- - Decepticon   If I remember right that was in the northern hemis...   Mar 9 2006, 01:53 AM
- - Toma B   Only image of this "new Red Spot" that I...   Mar 9 2006, 06:26 AM
|- - ljk4-1   B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Mar 9 2006, 01:26 AM)...   Mar 9 2006, 03:27 PM
- - SigurRosFan   A new animation ... On March 12th, Mike Salway of...   Mar 15 2006, 12:43 PM
- - ljk4-1   Photo in the News: Jupiter Spawns a New Red Spot ...   Mar 22 2006, 02:47 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   There are several great images here: http://jupite...   Mar 22 2006, 03:14 PM
||- - ljk4-1   Quote from Spaceweather.com: MEANWHILE ON JUPITER...   Mar 27 2006, 08:10 PM
||- - Decepticon   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 27 2006, 03:10 P...   Mar 28 2006, 01:26 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Mar 28 2006, 08:26 AM...   Mar 28 2006, 02:17 PM
||- - dilo   According to RED SPOT JR. site, "On mid-April...   Apr 26 2006, 09:10 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (dilo @ Apr 26 2006, 05:10 PM) Acco...   Apr 26 2006, 09:16 PM
||- - dilo   Yes, I already saw images/animations and they are ...   Apr 27 2006, 07:53 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (dilo @ Apr 27 2006, 03:53 PM) Yes,...   May 4 2006, 05:38 PM
||- - dilo   Finally! Is beautifull!! Also in AP...   May 5 2006, 06:20 AM
||- - dilo   This is a enhanced version of the Hubble picture   May 6 2006, 09:12 AM
||- - dilo   New great images from Hubble and from Earth: http:...   May 15 2006, 09:04 PM
||- - dilo   less than 2 months to collision???   May 16 2006, 06:36 AM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (dilo @ May 16 2006, 02:36 AM) less...   May 16 2006, 01:57 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 22 2006, 07:47 A...   Mar 27 2006, 09:11 PM
- - edstrick   One red coloring agent proposed years ago.... dunn...   Mar 28 2006, 08:55 AM
- - Decepticon   It amazes me how much amateur observations have in...   May 16 2006, 01:22 PM
|- - ugordan   While it is simply amazing that amateur astronomer...   May 16 2006, 01:36 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (Decepticon @ May 16 2006, 01:22 PM...   May 16 2006, 07:48 PM
- - Decepticon   ugordan Thanks for posting that.   May 16 2006, 08:03 PM
|- - dilo   The two spots are even closer now, look to Christo...   May 30 2006, 03:41 PM
- - ljk4-1   NASA Science News for June 5, 2006 The two bigges...   Jun 5 2006, 07:58 PM
|- - dilo   closer and closer: all images were taken from Ch...   Jun 28 2006, 05:17 PM
- - Toma B   I hope that WFPC2 on Hubble is still working fine,...   Jun 28 2006, 05:33 PM
- - remcook   is it just me or is the spot turning the white ban...   Jun 28 2006, 06:30 PM
- - David   The band the LRS is travelling in seems to be enti...   Jun 28 2006, 06:33 PM
- - djellison   The expectation is that they'll just breeze pa...   Jun 28 2006, 06:38 PM
|- - dilo   Doug, are you talking about a possible passdown be...   Jun 28 2006, 07:40 PM
|- - dilo   Now almost touching! Christopher Go comments ...   Jul 4 2006, 05:50 AM
- - remcook   http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0607/21jupiter...   Jul 22 2006, 12:24 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   From the latest issue of the journal Earth, Planet...   Jul 26 2006, 05:03 PM
- - OWW   New images from Keck: http://www.keckobservatory....   Aug 1 2006, 09:38 AM
- - SigurRosFan   New article: - Jupiter's Little Red Spot grow...   Oct 11 2006, 09:04 AM
- - PhilCo126   So why are the storms red? Scientists are still pu...   Feb 15 2007, 08:04 PM
- - ugordan   I'm curious: is the progenitor to Red Jr. the ...   Feb 16 2007, 04:47 PM
- - elakdawalla   I've been trying to track down the origin of t...   Feb 16 2007, 05:25 PM
- - edstrick   Somebody mis-natigated and a Vogon ship fullof RED...   Feb 17 2007, 09:33 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   The constantly changing appearance of Jupiter...   Feb 18 2007, 10:36 PM
- - djellison   John is the BAA's Jupiter Section director - a...   Feb 18 2007, 11:21 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 18 2007, 11:21 PM)...   Feb 22 2007, 04:53 PM
- - nprev   Fascinating idea that this might not be Galileo...   Feb 18 2007, 11:54 PM
- - stevesliva   QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 18 2007, 06:54 PM) I r...   Feb 19 2007, 01:25 AM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 18 2007, 05:25 PM...   Feb 22 2007, 05:03 PM


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