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Pioneer 11's 'near miss' at Saturn
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post Mar 16 2007, 02:56 PM
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A couple of websites state that Pioneer 11 discovered a new moon of Saturn during its 1979 flyby and nearly collided with it.

http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/CosmosNotes/voyagr00.htm

The website says Pioneer 11 missed the previously unknown moon by only a few hundred km.

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/planets/satslid.htm

Apparently the spacecraft inferred the moon's existance by the disturbances it created in Saturn's magnetic field.

Is this right? Did Pioneer 11 nearly end its mission in an unforseen Deep Impact style crash?


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post Mar 16 2007, 03:38 PM
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Yes,

being older than Pioneer, I remember this and the Pioneer team even gave it an informal name....

quote from http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lau.../2099/9711.html

"Without warning, the outputs of several of Pioneer's radiation detectors suddenly plunged to nearly zero, held roughly steady for eight seconds, and then snapped back up to their former values. For the same eight seconds, the magnetometer recorded major disturbances in Saturn's magnetic field. Pioneer had streaked through the magnetic "wake" of a moon roughly 200 km across, at a distance of no more than a few thousand kilometers -- the closest it had come to any large object since leaving Earth. Later, the villain was tentatively identified as a moon discovered the previous day from Pioneer's imaging, and suspected from earlier observations by Earth-based telescopes. After the Voyager flybys, it became clear that there are two similarly-sized moons (now named Epimetheus and Janus) in the same orbit, and there is still some uncertainty about just which one was the object of Pioneer's near-miss. "

Will have to look up more references that do not exist online (books).

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post Mar 17 2007, 01:02 AM
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QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Mar 16 2007, 10:38 AM) *
Yes,

being older than Pioneer, I remember this and the Pioneer team even gave it an informal name....

quote from http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lau.../2099/9711.html

The article doesn't give the informal name. Do you recall it? (I seem to recall the whole episode, but can't for the life of me remember the informal name.)

Good article, though -- especially as it's written by an old Usenet friend, Henry Spencer. As a proud virtual owner of several "I Corrected Henry" T-shirts from back in my Usenet days, I fondly recall his near-total and rarely-failing memory. (It's not true that I cribbed my writing style from Henry, though. When I encountered him on Usenet, I discovered that he and I have virtually identical writing styles -- another thing I enjoyed about him.)

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post Mar 17 2007, 02:56 AM
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- As old as Voyager   Pioneer 11's 'near miss' at Saturn   Mar 16 2007, 02:56 PM
- - As old as Voyager   Here's some more information on the near miss:...   Mar 16 2007, 03:28 PM
- - Ian R   It was either Janus or Epimetheus, with the safe b...   Mar 16 2007, 03:33 PM
- - belleraphon1   Yes, being older than Pioneer, I remember this a...   Mar 16 2007, 03:38 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Mar 16 2007, 10:38 ...   Mar 17 2007, 01:02 AM
|- - GregM   .   Mar 17 2007, 02:56 AM
|- - belleraphon1   QUOTE (GregM @ Mar 16 2007, 10:56 PM) If ...   Mar 17 2007, 07:58 PM
- - Elias   A rather detailed summary Pioneer 11 & Voyager...   Mar 17 2007, 10:55 AM
|- - scalbers   QUOTE (Elias @ Mar 17 2007, 10:55 AM) The...   Mar 18 2007, 06:05 PM
- - PhilCo126   Very interesting topic... thanks for sharing!   Mar 17 2007, 03:00 PM
- - belleraphon1   All.... my apologies.... some on the Pioneer tea...   Mar 17 2007, 10:33 PM
- - As old as Voyager   Thanks for the info beleraphon1, I'll also be ...   Mar 18 2007, 02:40 PM
- - Ian R   Pioneer Rock was also imaged by Pioneer 11, orbiti...   Jun 1 2007, 03:03 PM
- - Phil Stooke   A bit of detective work. Sky and Telescope (Nov. ...   Jun 1 2007, 05:02 PM
- - Ian R   According to the American Geophysical Union's ...   Jun 1 2007, 11:17 PM
- - scalbers   The details might be elsewhere in this forum ...   Jun 2 2007, 04:26 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 2 2007, 09:26 AM) I...   Jun 2 2007, 05:00 PM
- - Ian R   Yes, this is the discovery image from 1966: htt...   Jun 2 2007, 06:48 PM
- - Phil Stooke   The problem with 'Janus' as seen in 1966 w...   Jun 2 2007, 07:44 PM
- - Ian R   Using Mark Showalter's superlative Saturn View...   Nov 5 2020, 06:51 AM
- - Ian R   We can also confirm that Pioneer 11 was the first ...   Nov 5 2020, 07:26 AM


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