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Jim from NSF.com
post Jun 5 2006, 08:54 PM
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Saw the MSL video, which was similar to the MER video. It was awesome. Will try to get a copy
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post May 30 2007, 11:59 PM
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Jim, I think the suggestion is that the descent stage *could* be programmed to right itself and lower itself gently. It has to have *some* amount of control function in it, since it has to indepedently maneuver itself away from the rover after it cuts the cables.

I wonder just how much mass might be available for a very small science package and a small transmitter that would relay meteorological and/or seismic data back to the rover, and thence through MRO back to Earth? You'd need some light, simple instruments, a small transmitter and a small antenna. How much would that weigh? And how much mass could MSL stand to be added to the overall package?

I don't think anyone really believes that such a capability will seriously be considered, but it's OK to at least think about it...

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post May 31 2007, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 30 2007, 06:59 PM) *
I don't think anyone really believes that such a capability will seriously be considered, but it's OK to at least think about it...


This is complex enough, adding more weight and requirements is just not going to happen. Maybe the 2nd, 3rd, 4th Mars crane, but not the first. Gotta run before you fly.

If we want a seismometer, the best way to do that is to deploy a network, and that doesn't look likely any time soon with the demise of Netlander. This would be a great Mars Scout mission, if it could be made cheap enough, with just a dead simple imager and seismometers. 4 landers would give good coverage, with the option of putting one or two in "challenging" but beautiful locations.


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- Jim from NSF.com   MSL Video   Jun 5 2006, 08:54 PM
- - hal_9000   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Jun 5 2006, 05...   Jun 6 2006, 12:12 AM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (hal_9000 @ Jun 6 2006, 12:12 AM) h...   Jun 6 2006, 04:23 AM
- - Toma B   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Jun 5 2006, 10...   Jun 6 2006, 12:31 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Jun 6 2006, 08:31 AM)...   Jun 6 2006, 02:12 PM
|- - RonJones   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Jun 6 2006, 10...   Jun 6 2006, 04:46 PM
- - Toma B   There is GIGANTIC image of MSL here. Link to 25 MB...   Jun 6 2006, 05:55 PM
|- - Chmee   B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Jun 6 2006, 01:55 PM)...   Jun 6 2006, 08:21 PM
|- - gndonald   QUOTE (Chmee @ Jun 7 2006, 04:21 AM) --...   Jul 17 2006, 03:58 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   It is a stereo camera -- it just doesn't look ...   Jun 6 2006, 09:07 PM
|- - paxdan   One thing that the MERs have shown us is that the ...   Jun 7 2006, 07:51 AM
- - climber   Any possible use to detect Purgatory's sort of...   Jun 7 2006, 08:32 AM
- - climber   For quite a while, I've been frustrated that t...   Jun 7 2006, 09:31 AM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (climber @ Jun 7 2006, 11:31 AM) Th...   Jun 7 2006, 10:19 AM
|- - climber   [quote name='Tesheiner' date='Jun 7 20...   Jun 7 2006, 04:01 PM
- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (paxdan @ Jun 7 2006, 03:51 AM) How...   Jun 7 2006, 03:34 PM
- - Tesheiner   No trick (follow the link clicking on the image); ...   Jun 7 2006, 04:12 PM
- - jamescanvin   I think it's the electorincs box for the micro...   Jun 8 2006, 12:43 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   There's no Mossbauer this time. Indeed, one s...   Jun 8 2006, 01:37 AM
- - hendric   Still no EDL video?? I'd like to add it to my ...   Jul 15 2006, 05:22 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   Any updates on the MSL entry and landing video? ...   Aug 1 2006, 03:43 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Jul 31 2006, 11:43 ...   Aug 1 2006, 11:45 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Jul 31 2006, 11:43 ...   Aug 3 2006, 04:20 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   For those interested in MSL's RTG system, here...   Aug 2 2006, 04:59 AM
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|- - climber   QUOTE (Chmee @ Aug 2 2006, 07:24 PM) The ...   Aug 2 2006, 07:54 PM
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|- - Stephen   QUOTE (mars_armer @ Nov 22 2006, 06:14 AM...   Nov 22 2006, 12:06 AM
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|- - djellison   QUOTE (RedSky @ May 30 2007, 04:20 PM) On...   May 30 2007, 04:01 PM
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|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (RedSky @ May 30 2007, 11:20 AM) I ...   May 31 2007, 12:00 AM
- - Juramike   Is there any possibility of mounting instrumentati...   May 30 2007, 07:30 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 30 2007, 03:30 PM) ...   May 30 2007, 11:52 PM
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- - dvandorn   Jim, I think the suggestion is that the descent st...   May 30 2007, 11:59 PM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 30 2007, 06:59 PM) ...   May 31 2007, 04:48 AM
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- - djellison   Not of the descent stage. It will have leaked hydr...   Jun 25 2011, 06:16 AM
|- - tbruckner   Very nice animation. One question: shortly before ...   Jun 25 2011, 11:56 AM
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- - nprev   VERY nice animation, Doug. Kay & I just watche...   Jun 25 2011, 04:45 PM
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