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paxdan
post Apr 20 2005, 11:22 AM
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Launched on August 3rd 2004, NASA's MESSENGER will become the first spacecraft to orbit Mercury.

News and updates are availbale via Johns Hopkins University MESSENGER website and the Kennedy Space Center's MESSENGER website.

There will be an earth flyby in August followed by a couple of swings by Venus and three velocity scrubbing passages past mecury before the craft enters orbit in March 2011.

April 18, 2005 status report from JHU. Extensive JHU FAQs page here.
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post Jun 13 2007, 04:11 PM
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I was going to show a plot of our VEX data downlink, which would show how much was stored in the on-board buffers and when it is dumped. But I can't figure out how to post an image.

But the VEX Virtis instrument data (the imaging spectrometer) won't be totally down (worst case) until 19 June (but may be down a couple days before that); all the other instruments should be down now.

I hear that all the Messenger data is down now. Reports are that the closest approach was within 5 Km of the target, which is great.

For VEX, we've been regularly analyzing data for a while now. Even so, it may not be trivial to process what the instrument teams have, because it was taken in a segment of the orbit where we've never taken data before. For Messenger, they are going to have to figure out what they have, and it may take a while for them to figure out what it is they are seeing. Some of the instruments are designed to work with rocks, not clouds. Shining a laser altimeter at clouds might make for messy data if you haven't seen it before.

ESA is planning a web site update on the fly-by within two or three weeks. I think the hope is that it will include a couple Messenger images. Keep in mind that the Messenger team will want to publish papers on the fly-by. If they release something now, it may be considered 'published' and journals won't accept papers on it. So they can't put out very much, or they risk running into trouble with editors.

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post Jun 13 2007, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (cndwrld @ Jun 13 2007, 11:11 AM) *
Keep in mind that the Messenger team will want to publish papers on the fly-by. If they release something now, it may be considered 'published' and journals won't accept papers on it. So they can't put out very much, or they risk running into trouble with editors.

Now, that is an extraordinary statement. I know that I, for one, have *never* heard of any such problem plaguing the various researchers working with the MER or Cassini images (which are released as soon as they are received). I can understand that the various non-imaging instruments may take some time to process and interpret, but images? Especially jpegs of the images?

If it is truly the case that anyone on ANY research team working with planetary probes feel they must sequester ALL of their images until they have a chance to publish, then we (the taxpayers who are PAYING for their precious probes, often also paying their salaries) ought to put pressure on our representatives to force at least limited release of imagery as close to real-time as possible. Playing the game of "Oh, my editors might give me hassles if anyone sees any of these images before we publish" is just plain unacceptable in this day and age. Period.

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- paxdan   MESSENGER News Thread   Apr 20 2005, 11:22 AM
- - monitorlizard   Perhaps the MESSENGER team is waiting until they g...   Jun 13 2007, 12:10 PM
|- - Littlebit   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Jun 13 2007, 06:10...   Jun 13 2007, 02:32 PM
- - cndwrld   VEX and Messenger are both waiting for the data to...   Jun 13 2007, 12:49 PM
- - 4th rock from the sun   Thanks for the info, it makes sense. Downloading d...   Jun 13 2007, 01:26 PM
- - cndwrld   I was going to show a plot of our VEX data downlin...   Jun 13 2007, 04:11 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (cndwrld @ Jun 13 2007, 11:11 AM) K...   Jun 13 2007, 05:44 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 13 2007, 10:44 AM) ...   Jun 16 2007, 09:41 PM
- - RichardLeis   I will continue to wait patiently and only check t...   Jun 13 2007, 04:52 PM
- - volcanopele   Even if they have a lot of image processing ahead ...   Jun 13 2007, 04:58 PM
- - RichardLeis   Spacecraft operations and public releases are proc...   Jun 13 2007, 11:51 PM
- - Littlebit   The entire scientific world was fascinated by the ...   Jun 14 2007, 02:14 PM
- - ugordan   Littlebit, real-time release of Voyager imagery wa...   Jun 14 2007, 02:40 PM
- - djellison   Can we calm down the witch hunt please. We know t...   Jun 14 2007, 02:42 PM
- - lyford   Well spoken! Don't shoot the MESSENG.... ...   Jun 14 2007, 03:11 PM
- - Stu   Hey, first images are up...   Jun 14 2007, 09:27 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Stu @ Jun 14 2007, 11:27 AM) Hey, ...   Jun 14 2007, 09:56 PM
- - ugordan   Awe-inspiring, aren't they? BTW, full-res im...   Jun 14 2007, 09:37 PM
- - Stu   Very... white... Looking forward to more detai...   Jun 14 2007, 09:47 PM
- - djellison   Give them a week or two more - and Messenger will ...   Jun 14 2007, 10:10 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 14 2007, 11:10 PM)...   Jun 14 2007, 10:23 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   I might have missed it but did anyone else see thi...   Jun 14 2007, 10:41 PM
- - elakdawalla   Bland as it may seem, there's actually some cl...   Jun 14 2007, 11:43 PM
- - lyford   Hey! What did you do to Planet Cue Ball!?...   Jun 15 2007, 12:43 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Here's my version: This one has been sharpe...   Jun 15 2007, 01:17 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   Nice work, Bjorn.   Jun 15 2007, 01:22 AM
- - 4th rock from the sun   OK, after initial negative comments about a the la...   Jun 15 2007, 12:12 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ Jun 15 2007, 0...   Jun 15 2007, 05:39 PM
- - RichardLeis   It is the hint of cloud structure that really make...   Jun 16 2007, 05:39 PM
- - cndwrld   FYI, I'm told that the Messenger images have a...   Jun 18 2007, 11:33 AM
- - 4th rock from the sun   480 nm means deep blue, so it's inside the vis...   Jun 18 2007, 12:16 PM
- - nprev   True. Do you suppose that the unaided eye at C/A w...   Jun 18 2007, 02:31 PM
- - dvandorn   Remember, "shades" are just another form...   Jun 18 2007, 03:18 PM
- - um3k   It may be visible to the naked eye, but it would a...   Jun 18 2007, 03:44 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (um3k @ Jun 18 2007, 08:44 AM) It m...   Jun 18 2007, 05:04 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Here's a paper that one should download now wh...   Jun 18 2007, 05:08 PM
- - J.J.   Though that's within the visual band, the deta...   Jun 21 2007, 01:58 PM
- - 4th rock from the sun   Almost daily amateur Venus images can be seen here...   Jun 21 2007, 11:33 PM
- - 4th rock from the sun   Almost daily amateur Venus images can be seen here...   Jun 21 2007, 11:34 PM
- - edstrick   I took a crack at the full-disk messenger pic of V...   Jun 22 2007, 08:49 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   Another freebie from Space Science Reviews: MESSE...   Jun 22 2007, 04:54 PM
- - CAP-Team   It's been almost a month now since the Venus f...   Jul 6 2007, 08:56 AM
- - brellis   Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of me ...   Jul 6 2007, 08:32 PM
- - cndwrld   I'm at a Venus Express science working team me...   Jul 10 2007, 03:30 PM
- - brellis   hi cndwrld Thanks much for the update. I'm v...   Jul 10 2007, 06:48 PM
- - mchan   Additional Venus flyby images are up: http://mess...   Jul 26 2007, 05:12 AM
- - Ken90000   I'm not seeing anything new there.   Jul 26 2007, 09:12 PM
- - mchan   I was referring to the video link for the Venus de...   Jul 27 2007, 02:45 AM
- - edstrick   The departure sequence will be vastly more interes...   Jul 27 2007, 07:50 AM
- - cndwrld   Messenger Fly-By of Venus The ESA web page for th...   Jul 27 2007, 09:55 AM
- - mchan   While counting down to the Phoenix launch to Mars,...   Aug 4 2007, 05:59 AM
- - Greg Hullender   I'm sure everyone has already seen these, but ...   Aug 4 2007, 09:56 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 4 2007, 02:56...   Aug 7 2007, 10:54 PM
|- - JRehling   An added note, regarding the putative Skinakas bas...   Aug 9 2007, 02:43 AM
- - jamescanvin   Greg, you seem to have the 3rd flyby linked twice,...   Aug 5 2007, 09:30 AM
- - Ken90000   Are these figures still accurate? The publication...   Aug 7 2007, 11:03 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Ken90000 @ Aug 7 2007, 04:03 PM) A...   Aug 8 2007, 09:19 PM
- - gcecil   The slipped flyby dates are Jan. 14, 2008, Oct. 7,...   Aug 10 2007, 11:43 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Can you tell us at what resolution ranges Messenge...   Aug 11 2007, 05:20 AM
|- - gcecil   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 11 2007, 01:2...   Aug 12 2007, 03:13 PM
- - edstrick   It's also worth realizing that like with the l...   Aug 13 2007, 07:39 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 13 2007, 07:39 AM) ...   Aug 13 2007, 11:20 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 13 2007, 12:39 AM) ...   Aug 13 2007, 04:04 PM
- - edstrick   Indeed... we need global coverage at decently high...   Aug 14 2007, 08:18 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Meanwhile, I just noticed that Messenger has start...   Aug 16 2007, 03:28 PM
- - mchan   2nd paragraph in Messenger status report alludes t...   Aug 17 2007, 02:55 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Thanks! I should read these things more caref...   Aug 17 2007, 03:24 PM
- - belleraphon1   All.. Emily has posted a nice update about the M...   Aug 17 2007, 07:37 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Very nice! Emily: (If you're reading this...   Aug 17 2007, 09:05 PM
- - elakdawalla   Easiest way to visualize what will be Sunlit and t...   Aug 17 2007, 09:13 PM
- - belleraphon1   Yeah... if you look at the flyby plot you can se...   Aug 17 2007, 09:53 PM
- - Greg Hullender   New Messenger update, marking the first perihelion...   Sep 1 2007, 06:31 PM
- - Greg Hullender   The more I look at the data, the more I think the ...   Sep 1 2007, 08:49 PM
- - edstrick   it looks like flyby's 2 and 3 will provide exc...   Sep 2 2007, 07:15 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   MESSENGER Approaches Two Billion Miles! MESSEN...   Sep 12 2007, 07:32 PM
- - cndwrld   I saw one of the principle scientists from Messeng...   Oct 1 2007, 01:50 PM
- - nprev   Nice! Thanks, CND; definitely something to l...   Oct 2 2007, 04:12 AM
- - NMRguy   One step closer. MESSENGER sets itself up for the...   Oct 18 2007, 09:48 AM
|- - MahFL   Great news.   Oct 18 2007, 01:51 PM
- - NMRguy   I still find myself forgetting how long MESSENGER ...   Nov 21 2007, 11:07 PM
- - mchan   Contact made to Messenger after solar conjunction:...   Dec 5 2007, 05:53 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Not related to this month's flyby (not to say ...   Jan 2 2008, 04:30 PM
- - nprev   Noticed something else new on the "Where is M...   Jan 2 2008, 06:05 PM
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|- - ugordan   QUOTE (peter59 @ Jan 6 2008, 09:48 AM) Pl...   Jan 6 2008, 02:25 PM
- - peter59   .. and more Messenger's MDIM narrow angle ca...   Jan 6 2008, 10:27 AM
- - Phil Stooke   You saw it here first, nprev! Phil   Jan 6 2008, 02:19 PM
- - djellison   http://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/messenger/MDI...   Jan 6 2008, 05:28 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 6 2008, 06:28 PM) ...   Jan 6 2008, 06:25 PM
- - nprev   ...<clink>...LAND HO!!! Look at...   Jan 6 2008, 05:48 PM
|- - Paolo   unnecessary quoting removed I fear that is ye old...   Jan 6 2008, 05:59 PM
- - Phil Stooke   April fool! That was the moon. Here it is mo...   Jan 6 2008, 05:58 PM
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- - Phil Stooke   That's no dark polar hood, that's Oceanus ...   Jan 6 2008, 06:13 PM
|- - JRehling   Yep, Mare Orientale is near center, Procellarum is...   Jan 6 2008, 11:17 PM
|- - tedstryk   Here is my take on the image.   Jan 6 2008, 11:54 PM
|- - tedstryk   Wow, it really is a good camera. Here is the dist...   Jan 7 2008, 03:53 AM
- - djellison   It IS the Moon - hence why I cited the PDS where t...   Jan 6 2008, 06:14 PM
- - nprev   Sigh...too much anticipation...   Jan 6 2008, 06:22 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I don't have time to search at the moment - is...   Jan 6 2008, 06:52 PM
- - ugordan   I think images EN0031264914M.IMG and EN0031264925M...   Jan 6 2008, 07:04 PM
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