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Communications Strategies, How can the Deep-Space Network be improved on?
Greg Hullender
post Dec 20 2007, 07:04 PM
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Given the recent news that Cassini will lose some data during the Phoenix landing due to contention for DNS access:

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ic=4831&hl=

It seemed reasonable to create a topic to discuss where the DNS might be going.

Jasedm suggested a relay station at the Earth-Sun L2 point, which I think might be discussing (despite the expense) assuming the relay station could use laser communication with space probes, while beaming data to Earth via microwaves.

I know that experiments with laser communications were part of the now-abandoned Mars Telecommunications Orbiter, and I know that there was even a recent laser experiment involving Mercury Messenger.

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/060104_laser_comm.html

These seem intended to support laser communications with ground-based receivers, though -- something that seems much too risky if remote space probes can't store days of data allowing for multiple retries.

Obviously a relay station would have its own risks -- you'd probably need two for redundancy -- and it'd be fabulously expensive, but it might also include quite a few savings as well. I've looked for figures for what the DSN costs to run, but I haven't found them yet. Not sure how large a part of a given mission (if any) is charged to the DSN, but it seems to me that a relay satellite ought to be a good bit cheaper to operate, and for far higher bandwidth.

Also, a laser transmitter ought to be lighter and consume less power than an equivalent microwave transmitter. That alone could result in huge savings for outer-system missions.

The only time I saw a serious proposal for a laser-to-satellite communications system was in a description of options for the "Grand Tour" that later became Voyager. (Assuming that counts as serious.) :-) With DSN needing more and more maintenance, I wonder if anyone is seriously considering laser for the future.

--Greg
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- Greg Hullender   Communications Strategies   Dec 20 2007, 07:04 PM
- - nprev   I proposed relay sats at the Earth-Sun L2 & L4...   Dec 20 2007, 07:29 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 20 2007, 02:29 PM) I p...   Jan 8 2008, 04:29 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Why would you have inverse exponential losses? On...   Dec 21 2007, 12:28 AM
- - nprev   IIRC, most of the losses occurred as a result of b...   Dec 21 2007, 01:29 AM
- - tasp   Additional ground stations at, let's say, Samo...   Dec 21 2007, 04:32 AM
- - jasedm   Maybe a brief cloudburst over Madrid will be the l...   Jan 7 2008, 07:00 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (jasedm @ Jan 7 2008, 07:00 PM) mai...   Jan 7 2008, 10:05 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 7 2008, 02:05 PM) ...   Jan 8 2008, 03:17 AM
- - elakdawalla   Space relays aren't the next step; large array...   Jan 7 2008, 07:14 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Need maintenance be such a problem? Commerical co...   Jan 8 2008, 04:45 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jan 8 2008, 04:45...   Jan 8 2008, 08:23 AM
- - cndwrld   If money was no object, the best thing would be to...   Jan 8 2008, 07:44 AM
- - edstrick   "...In my experience, we don't need new s...   Jan 8 2008, 09:41 AM
|- - jasedm   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 8 2008, 09:41 AM) ...   Jan 15 2008, 07:08 PM
- - Doc   I believe that in the end the simplest thing to do...   Jan 8 2008, 10:42 AM
- - edstrick   My crusting over memory cells fail me at the momen...   Jan 16 2008, 09:07 AM
- - nprev   Probably the only argument that really has a chanc...   Jan 17 2008, 01:09 AM
- - helvick   I've wondered before if the technologies and t...   Jan 17 2008, 09:23 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (helvick @ Jan 17 2008, 01:23 AM) I...   Jan 18 2008, 06:34 AM
- - Greg Hullender   I'm still thinking we just want to lobby for a...   Jan 17 2008, 02:33 PM
- - djellison   A reception facility for optical comms isn't a...   Jan 17 2008, 02:43 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Didn't mean to trivialize the problem. Obviou...   Jan 17 2008, 05:48 PM
- - dvandorn   I still have this image in my head of an antenna f...   Jan 18 2008, 05:56 AM
- - edstrick   "...still have this image in my head of an an...   Jan 18 2008, 08:20 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 18 2008, 08:20 AM) ...   Jan 18 2008, 09:05 AM
- - edstrick   Exactly. And 34 of those -- with sufficient smart...   Jan 18 2008, 09:11 AM


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