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JRehling
post Nov 9 2007, 08:28 PM
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http://www.lpi.usra.edu/opag/announcements.html

That's one little URL with a lifetime's worth of reading material.

Three detailed studies are available in PDF format. The missing body is Titan, which will be the subject of a forthcoming report.

The three focus missions are:
Europa Explorer: Fairly detailed description of a mission that is pretty much what Europa Orbiter would have been.

Jupiter System Observer: Basically, Galileo 2 (without the antenna mishap!). The craft would start with a 3-year tour of all the Galileans, then spend 1 year in an elliptical Ganymede orbit, then the rest of the mission in a tight, polar Ganymede orbit (like MGS at Mars). That would map the heck out of Ganymede, but also be close enough to the rest of the system to make long-range observations for years. Note that Ganymede would thereby provide a lot of radiation shielding.

Enceladus: where three profiles are examined in depth: Enceladus Orbiter only; Enceladus Orbiter with soft lander; Saturn orbiter with Enceladus soft lander.

There's more to chew on here than I have had (or may ever have) time for, but I'll throw in my two cents' worth:

Seems like a Europa-only mission would only benefit from coming after a JSO. EE would explore Europa much better than JSO would; why even have JSO observations at Europa if EE came first? In many ways, these two missions are competitive. EE would have the big payoff, but JSO seems like basic recon that would prime EE, especially giving specs on radar performance. But if we waited til JSO was 4 years into its mission before completing design of EE, then put EE sometime mid-century.

If an Enceladus mission included a Saturn orbiter, then maybe the same orbiter could provide data relay for separate Titan elements. However, a lot of the Enceladus science goals would require an Enceladus orbiter, so I don't think a Saturn orbiter for Enceladus/Titan will win out.

Note that Enceladus orbital velocity is low enough that the craft could manage to take lots of hits from ice pellets and survive. Put a bulletproof vest on the craft and let it soar through the plumes endlessly.
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- JRehling   OPAG Reports   Nov 9 2007, 08:28 PM
- - nprev   Or a distributed computing project like SETI@Home?   Nov 23 2007, 09:16 PM
- - nprev   Makes sense; thanks for the clarification, Paolo...   Nov 24 2007, 03:05 PM
- - Mariner9   Color imaging was one of the main casualties of Ga...   Dec 8 2007, 09:55 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Dec 8 2007, 01:55 PM) S...   Dec 8 2007, 11:34 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 8 2007, 11:34 PM) I...   Dec 9 2007, 01:41 AM
||- - tedstryk   Now that would be cool. Mariner9, at closest appr...   Dec 9 2007, 04:13 AM
|||- - JRehling   FULL INLINE QUOTE REMOVED - how come the old hands...   Dec 9 2007, 05:37 AM
||- - mchan   QUOTE (vjkane @ Dec 8 2007, 05:41 PM) Ove...   Dec 10 2007, 04:11 AM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (mchan @ Dec 10 2007, 05:11 AM) (as...   Dec 10 2007, 08:45 AM
||- - AscendingNode   QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 10 2007, 12:45 AM) W...   Dec 11 2007, 06:07 PM
||- - JRehling   I think the planetary protection protocols, such a...   Dec 11 2007, 08:52 PM
||- - tedstryk   Regardless of one's opinion on planetary prote...   Dec 11 2007, 09:44 PM
||- - rasun   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 11 2007, 10:44 PM) ...   Dec 12 2007, 09:54 AM
||- - tedstryk   QUOTE (rasun @ Dec 12 2007, 09:54 AM) Wel...   Dec 12 2007, 11:01 AM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 12 2007, 12:01 PM) ...   Dec 12 2007, 11:54 AM
||- - JRehling   I think a dead craft in Juno's orbit would hav...   Dec 12 2007, 01:39 PM
|||- - AscendingNode   QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 12 2007, 05:39 AM) ...   Dec 12 2007, 06:12 PM
||- - nprev   QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 12 2007, 03:54 AM) P...   Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 12 2007, 08:07 PM) wip...   Dec 12 2007, 07:21 PM
||- - ngunn   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM) Nat...   Dec 12 2007, 09:38 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 8 2007, 11:34 PM) O...   Dec 10 2007, 12:25 PM
- - mchan   If I recall correctly from the mission description...   Dec 10 2007, 10:45 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (mchan @ Dec 10 2007, 11:45 AM) If ...   Dec 10 2007, 11:52 AM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 10 2007, 03:52 AM) I...   Dec 10 2007, 03:14 PM
- - ngunn   The mission summary clearly states "The fligh...   Dec 10 2007, 11:09 AM
- - tasp   Exploration of the Europan Hill sphere via earth b...   Dec 11 2007, 06:49 PM
- - nprev   Not to ignite a debate on this topic, but aren...   Dec 11 2007, 09:53 PM
|- - AscendingNode   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 11 2007, 01:53 PM) Not...   Dec 11 2007, 11:57 PM
- - rlorenz   Nature News piece on the Flagships is out http://...   Dec 13 2007, 12:19 AM
|- - Juramike   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Dec 12 2007, 07:19 PM) N...   Dec 13 2007, 01:11 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Juramike @ Dec 13 2007, 01:11 PM) ...   Dec 13 2007, 01:32 PM
- - ngunn   For anyone like me with no Nature subscrition - I ...   Dec 13 2007, 10:42 AM
- - NMRguy   The Titan Explorer with Orbiter (based on the limi...   Dec 13 2007, 03:19 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (NMRguy @ Dec 13 2007, 10:19 AM) Th...   Dec 14 2007, 09:46 PM
- - TheChemist   I'm willing to put on my prophet hat, and pred...   Dec 13 2007, 03:20 PM
|- - NMRguy   QUOTE (TheChemist @ Dec 13 2007, 04:20 PM...   Dec 13 2007, 03:30 PM
- - djellison   This is what I like about the Titan Explorer propo...   Dec 13 2007, 03:37 PM
|- - tedstryk   I agree that Titan is probably the most interestin...   Dec 13 2007, 03:56 PM
- - djellison   One could even imagine a New Frontiers scale Jupit...   Dec 13 2007, 03:58 PM
- - ngunn   Just a wild thought and well OT I know. Could the...   Dec 13 2007, 04:42 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (ngunn @ Dec 13 2007, 04:42 PM) Cou...   Dec 13 2007, 05:35 PM
- - vjkane   "One could even imagine a New Frontiers scale...   Dec 14 2007, 01:56 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (vjkane @ Dec 14 2007, 01:56 AM) ...   Dec 14 2007, 03:02 PM
- - vjkane   I finally had the time on a plane flight to read o...   Dec 15 2007, 03:59 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (vjkane @ Dec 15 2007, 03:59 AM) Ho...   Dec 16 2007, 12:16 AM
|- - vjkane2000   QUOTE (ngunn @ Dec 15 2007, 05:16 PM) An ...   Dec 16 2007, 02:24 AM
- - vjkane2000   More on the EE and JSO descope mission options. S...   Dec 16 2007, 01:22 AM
- - vjkane   A new post by Leonard David at http://www.livescie...   Dec 26 2007, 05:32 AM
- - vjkane   A while ago, ESA proposed a Jovian minisat mission...   Dec 26 2007, 05:52 AM
- - marsbug   Ive not got acess to the full article but this sou...   Jan 3 2008, 01:52 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (marsbug @ Jan 3 2008, 08:52 AM) Iv...   Jan 4 2008, 01:14 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Jan 4 2008, 01:14 AM) Al...   Jan 4 2008, 03:56 AM
|- - marsbug   FWIW I agree, but I'm going to be heartbroken ...   Jan 4 2008, 12:45 PM
- - ngunn   Almost missed Emily's last paragraph here: htt...   Jan 8 2008, 08:49 PM
- - vjkane   The Titan Flagship report is out. I've flippe...   Jan 24 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - JRehling   Lots to read (197 pages) -- the first things to gr...   Jan 24 2008, 07:15 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Thanks, vjkane. It's very useful to have some...   Jan 24 2008, 07:05 PM
- - djellison   My WORD, never has a PDF made me want to animate s...   Jan 24 2008, 07:45 PM
- - ngunn   Great! The best possible weekend reading.   Jan 25 2008, 03:13 PM
- - ngunn   A couple of gems from the Titan report: A separat...   Jan 28 2008, 10:04 AM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 28 2008, 05:04 AM) A c...   Jan 29 2008, 06:35 PM
- - djellison   I flicked thru it very quickly for a first glance....   Jan 28 2008, 10:32 AM
|- - tedstryk   I would like that mission, but not as the next fla...   Jan 28 2008, 05:57 PM
- - ngunn   This is another of my favourite bits - the alterna...   Jan 28 2008, 04:56 PM
- - Mariner9   The thing I don't like about any of the flagsh...   Jan 28 2008, 09:15 PM
- - centsworth_II   A quicker paced flagship schedule will take a much...   Jan 28 2008, 11:42 PM
- - Mariner9   Don't get me wrong, I know that affording eve...   Jan 29 2008, 01:58 AM
- - nprev   I think we're all drooling profusely, Ralph; n...   Jan 30 2008, 01:51 AM
- - Doc   I hope the price tag for the Tit. Expl. does not s...   Jan 30 2008, 10:33 AM
- - TheChemist   Tholinome. You heard it here first.   Jan 30 2008, 01:52 PM
- - simonbp   I love how they just slap 3 kg on the balloon for ...   Jan 31 2008, 01:07 AM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (simonbp @ Jan 30 2008, 08:07 PM) I...   Jan 31 2008, 04:28 PM
- - Mariner9   The titan flagship sure seems to have it all. Mo...   Jan 31 2008, 04:20 PM
- - vjkane   I've been reading the Titan proposal as bed ti...   Jan 31 2008, 08:22 PM
- - vjkane   The assessments of the four flagship missions has ...   Mar 22 2008, 04:15 AM
- - NMRguy   I assume that the Jupiter/Ganymede orbiter provide...   Mar 22 2008, 05:00 PM
- - marsbug   My opinion is that titan is now the most interesti...   Mar 22 2008, 06:39 PM
- - nprev   With the state of current technology & recent ...   Mar 22 2008, 07:36 PM
- - Mariner9   As far as multiple targets of interest in the Satu...   Mar 22 2008, 10:54 PM
- - vjkane   I'd love to see a mission to Titan. However, ...   Mar 23 2008, 02:18 AM
|- - Juramike   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 22 2008, 09:18 PM) Th...   Mar 23 2008, 02:41 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Nasa used to routinely send pairs of spacecraft on...   Mar 23 2008, 04:47 PM
- - djellison   A second spacecraft typically adds 50%. That was ...   Mar 23 2008, 05:01 PM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 23 2008, 09:01 AM)...   Mar 24 2008, 04:26 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 24 2008, 04:2...   Mar 24 2008, 06:05 PM
- - vjkane   Assuming that the Titan mission is selected, ESA h...   Mar 23 2008, 05:27 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 23 2008, 12:27 PM) In...   Mar 23 2008, 09:02 PM
- - mps   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 23 2008, 06:4...   Mar 23 2008, 08:42 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (mps @ Mar 23 2008, 03:42 PM) I not...   Mar 23 2008, 09:04 PM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Mar 23 2008, 01:04 PM) ...   Mar 24 2008, 04:20 AM
- - vjkane   I think that it was a combination of more reliable...   Mar 23 2008, 09:16 PM
|- - JRehling   When I read "high risk" for Titan, I thi...   Mar 23 2008, 11:57 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 24 2008, 12:57 AM) ...   Mar 24 2008, 01:07 AM
- - volcanopele   According to the Laplace mission summary, the Euro...   Mar 24 2008, 06:24 PM
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