Sol 65 and after, Digs in Neverland, Cupboard, Stone Soup, Burn Alive... |
Sol 65 and after, Digs in Neverland, Cupboard, Stone Soup, Burn Alive... |
Jul 31 2008, 07:22 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
(Sigh...) And here I was playing elsewhere & completely forgot about this. (Worked all last night, just got home an hour or two ago). Any other juicy tidbits?
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Jul 31 2008, 07:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1465 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Columbus OH USA Member No.: 13 |
Did you catch the calendar date on that? I missed it. I heard "end of the year." So maybe the message to families of Phoenix team members is "I'll be home for Christmas." That's right around the equinox, with the sun barely getting above 20 degrees elevation, max. -------------------- |
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Jul 31 2008, 07:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1465 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Columbus OH USA Member No.: 13 |
Who was that young lady? She has a great public persona. She makes a fantastic spokesperson, they should send her on tour when this is all over. Totally agree--delightful presentation. -------------------- |
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Jul 31 2008, 07:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
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Jul 31 2008, 07:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4247 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Any other juicy tidbits? The last question was one of the best: Boynton answered that they don't have enough water in the tega sample to get the isotope ratios, unfortunately. They'll need a higher proportion of ice to soil to do that. But this does put the last nail in the coffin of any attempts to attribute the Dodo/Goldilocks observations to anything but water ice. |
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Jul 31 2008, 07:38 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Yeah - it's end of fiscal year, Sol 124. For approx $2m. That puts it almost bang on an order of magnitude better value per sol.
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Jul 31 2008, 07:42 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
It must take more paperwork to extend into a new fiscal year. That, and an approved budget, which never happens on time. I'm certain that they're pressing for supplementary funding to be included in the inevitable continuing resolution until the budget gets passed. Normally, it shouldn't be a problem. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Jul 31 2008, 08:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1465 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Columbus OH USA Member No.: 13 |
Any other juicy tidbits? On the TEGA front, after the second ice-rich sample stuck to the scoop ("the last thing we were expecting") they decided to go for a dry sample & were delighted to find out that, surprise, there was indeed some ice in the sample anyway. "Champagne corks were popping all around"--I assume metaphorical, but who knows what the work environment is there. The amount of ice is small (~1%) but it almost definitely is ice because they saw it melting at 0 degrees. They also saw the H2O signature in the mass spec. So this goes beyond the first dry(ish) sample where they saw trace quantities of water, but only coming off the minerals at high temps. Boynton didn't say whether they would get isotope ratios from the data. I note that yesterday Boynton wasn't slated to be on the panel--maybe an indication of late-breaking developments--i.e., some good TEGA news. There was a lot of presentation about the meteorological results. The animation showing the LIDAR beam at midnight looked like it showed wispy clouds or something drifting by--not sure. There was a little bit of the feeling of listening to Pravda--one would think this is the most successful mission ever. More like--yippee, the IRS has granted an extension on our filing date! Never was heard a discouraging word. When one reporter mentioned the troubles TEGA has had in collecting an ice sample, Boynton got a little testy, saying that since they just got one, what's the problem? -------------------- |
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Jul 31 2008, 08:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 20-November 06 From: Saint Louis Member No.: 1376 |
More tidbits (in no particular order):
Hopefully the briefing was recorded and will appear on this site soon. -------------------- - Matt
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Jul 31 2008, 08:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
Boynton didn't say whether they would get isotope ratios from the data. As already noted by fredk, in responce to the last question of the day, he said there was not enough ice in the sample to get isotope data. They still need an ice rich sample for that. I was waiting for that question and glad it just got in under the wire, but disappointed by the answer. Still, it's something to look forward to. |
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Jul 31 2008, 09:00 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
I always have a hard time finding the links to the animations for these press conferences. Here it is:
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/videos_sol66.php There were some neat ones today. --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Jul 31 2008, 09:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 20-November 06 From: Saint Louis Member No.: 1376 |
-------------------- - Matt
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Jul 31 2008, 09:10 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 19-March 05 From: Princeton, NJ, USA Member No.: 212 |
I know - it's quite obvious now, looking at the Raw's http://www.met.tamu.edu/mars/i/SS061EFF901...8_16AA3RBM1.jpg I wondered the same thing. and that link really clarifies everything ! |
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Jul 31 2008, 10:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4247 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
How did we miss that lidar image?! What amazes me about this (apart from the fact no one here spotted the beam first!) is that the beam is visible in broad daylight! ( Edit: the images were near 3am, but of course the sun is up all night now. Light does not backscatter well from air, and Martian air is extremely thin, so we must be seeing backscattering from the dust. Martian air tends to be much dustier than earth's, and I doubt the beam would be visible in normal daylight conditions on earth. This reminds me - anyone recall hearing a tau measurement for Phoenix? edit - not only did no one notice the images, but apparently we all missed Lemmon's caption: QUOTE SSI Image of LIDAR beam
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Aug 2 2008, 09:23 PM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 468 Joined: 11-February 04 From: USA Member No.: 21 |
Sol 67 image of the new 'Cupboard' trench, next to Dodo-Goldilocks:
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_17400.jpg |
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