Mars 3 (Various Topics Merged) |
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Mars 3 (Various Topics Merged) |
 Nov 29 2011, 11:06 PM
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 Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 21-April 09 From: Oktemtsy, Russia Member No.: 4747  |
My congratulations on forthcoming anniversary landings to Mars of Mars 3 lander! 40 years of silence and riddles.
This photo is made in the beginning of this year in Memorial Astronautics Museum in Moscow  Other photos on a site http://mars71.ru/fotos.php |
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Mar 18 2013, 07:52 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1729 Joined: 3-August 06 From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E Member No.: 1004 |
a picture of a Mars-71 lander during impact tests
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Apr 11 2013, 05:15 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3233 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
Mars 3 hardware may have been spotted in some HiRISE images. The parachute and heatshield look convincing to me.
http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345 -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Apr 11 2013, 06:17 PM
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Rover Driver Group: Members Posts: 1015 Joined: 4-March 04 Member No.: 47 |
Very nice
 "Philip J. Stooke from the University of West Ontario, Canada, suggested the direction of search and offered helpful advice. Arnold Selivanov (one of the creators of Mars 3) and Vladimir Molodtsov (an engineer at NPO Lavochkin, Moscow) helped with access to data archives. "  http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA16920 |
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 Apr 11 2013, 07:39 PM
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I've read the text and found that they did their homework well, with models of what each component would look like etc. Good job. But the fact that the images do leave room for other interpretations leaves me still hesitant. Yet if the further studies they mention do show that this is the real thing I do say congratulations to Vitali Egorov, Alexander Basilevsky and others for the detective work of locating Mars 3! |
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Apr 11 2013, 11:04 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10167 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
I did offer some advice on this, though I had nothing to do with finding the objects in the image. But I don't actually see that reference to me in any of the links.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Apr 11 2013, 11:11 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2086 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
It's the 2nd paragraph from bottom on this page; weird how many repeat 'home pages' there are for missions.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/news/mro2013411.html |
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Apr 12 2013, 12:47 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 22-March 06 Member No.: 722 |
One similar feature would be easy to explain away; several anomalous ones together, much less so, IMO.
If they found this, I can only smile and clap. Amazing work, amazing crowdsourcing.
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Master Betty: Nyah. Haha. It is EVIL, it is so EVIL. It is a bad, bad plan, which will hurt many... people... who are good. I think it's great that it's so bad. -Kung Pow: Enter the Fist |
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Apr 12 2013, 06:57 AM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Apr 11 2013, 11:04 PM)  I did offer some advice on this, though I had nothing to do with finding the objects in the image. But I don't actually see that reference to me in any of the links. Your thought of a movement trajectory very much helped. QUOTE (TheAnt @ Apr 11 2013, 07:39 PM) But the fact that the images do leave room for other interpretations leaves me still hesitant. Important argument - chain length on retrorocket. HiRise showed 4,8 m, and check according to drawings in NPO Lavochkin - 4,5 m + retrorocket engine. 
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Apr 12 2013, 10:00 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 495 Joined: 12-February 12 Member No.: 6336 |
QUOTE (Zelenyikot @ Apr 12 2013, 08:57 AM) Important argument - chain length on retrorocket. HiRise showed 4,8 m, and check according to drawings in NPO Lavochkin - 4,5 m + retrorocket engine. Oh yes I did note that, and it's one reason I found this finding interesting enough to reply to. And we do know Mars 3 are in this area, or perhaps somewhat to the north. Yet at 25cm per pixel is the highest resolution we might get. (For the near future at least.) And that leaves the lander and those retrorocket parts at a size just at just a few pixels wide. Subsequent images where the light comes from different directions might perhaps give us an better idea of the hight of each of these item. which might give more credence to this. |
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Apr 12 2013, 11:49 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 18-July 05 Member No.: 439 |
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Apr 12 2013, 03:04 AM) I did offer some advice on this, though I had nothing to do with finding the objects in the image. But I don't actually see that reference to me in any of the links. Phil The most full account (in Russian) by Zelenyikot himself is here: http://habrahabr.ru/post/175827/ With reference to you, of course. |
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Apr 12 2013, 12:21 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
Phil,
As our "International" UMSF cartographer, could you, please, be so kind to tell us what are the coordinates of the Mars 3 Lander itself on those images (South with E and/or W longitudes) ? Thanks again so much in advance and warmest regards, VM
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Apr 12 2013, 03:39 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10167 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Darn it, my atlas is now out of date.
According to my preliminary calculations on the newest image (map-projected), the lander is 3201 pixels north of the image centre and 1886 pixels west of the centre. That makes it 800 m north or 0.013 degrees north, and 471 m west or 0.008 degrees west. That would give the location of 45.045 degrees south, 202.023 degrees east (157.977 degrees west) Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Apr 12 2013, 06:33 PM
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 Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Good thing you're working on a second book
Zelenyikot wrote a long blog entry about the process; I've translated it (with Google translate and Zelenyikot's help) and annotated it and posted it here. -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Apr 12 2013, 07:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Apr 12 2013, 05:39 PM) That would give the location of 45.045 degrees south, 202.023 degrees east (157.977 degrees west) Phil Thanks so much Phil !
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