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Temperature and pressure at Gale, Suitable (for short periods) for liquid water?
Seryddwr
post Sep 30 2012, 03:23 PM
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Just a quick query from someone with no background in science. Obviously, MSL has AFAIK not returned evidence of recent (i.e. years/decades) liquid water in its vicinity; however, I was interested by the following graphs:

08.21.2012: First Pressure Readings on Mars

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/images/?ImageID=4501

08.21.2012: Taking Mars' Temperature

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/images/?ImageID=4502

The first indicates that the pressure between 15 Aug and 18 Aug never dropped below c. 690 millibars; the second shows that, for a period of a couple of hours on 16 Aug, the temperature rose above freezing. If water had been present on the surface, then, would it have been liquid during this brief period? The pressure and temperature seemed to satisfy the conditions for liquid water as I understand them (indeed, the pressure seems to be high enough (just) on a 24-hour basis to allow for the presence of liquid water). Thanks in advance for your opinions (corroborative or not!) on this.
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|- - Vultur   QUOTE (Gerald @ Sep 12 2014, 09:25 AM) Ye...   Sep 21 2014, 05:36 AM
- - serpens   Those anomalous dips in both max and min temperatu...   Sep 12 2014, 02:57 AM
- - nprev   The data could've been corrupted in a variety ...   Sep 12 2014, 03:29 AM
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- - Gerald   Near the boundary of high- and low-thermal-inertia...   Sep 12 2014, 09:47 AM
- - jmknapp   Ah, those are good points. Around sol 678 here...   Sep 12 2014, 10:15 AM
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