Traverse to the Delta, sols 379-414, 15 Mar 2022- 21 Apr 2022 |
Traverse to the Delta, sols 379-414, 15 Mar 2022- 21 Apr 2022 |
Apr 9 2022, 12:58 PM
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Apr 11 2022, 01:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2429 Joined: 30-January 13 From: Penang, Malaysia. Member No.: 6853 |
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Apr 11 2022, 06:32 AM
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#93
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Apr 11 2022, 07:40 AM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10173 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
They don't make it easy for us! This is the sol 405 morning panorama in circular form - at the sol 404 location.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Apr 11 2022, 08:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
Sol 405 she turned around!! Looks like she might approach the base of the delta Really great, but... Sorry to say that "ordinary" people here tell us that those Mars rocks always look the same and they feel quite bored. This is a real concern not to be avoided. =>> We need to give them inspiring pictures : today, they feel more concerned by the emergencies of war and the constraints of daily life And we have not to forget that they are also taxpayers (even in France for experiments paid on the Perseverance rover). Before going to the base of the delta, we are many people involved in fostering space exploration (not only at TPS but also in space-related organizations in France) thinking that it should be nice to take the opportunity of being close to the parachute and its backshell (a mere 2-day driving away) to go there first and take some quick & spectacular pictures of them |
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Apr 11 2022, 10:44 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 680 Joined: 9-May 21 From: Germany Member No.: 9017 |
I would avoid driving near the parachute.
We learned not long ago that even in the thin Martian atmosphere, a sudden dust storm can throw sand onto the rover deck. Movement of the parachute during a storm or by a dust devil is quite possible. I would not want the rover to get tangled in a parachute. Better, the rover avoids unnecessary risks and provides spectacular images of Martian landscapes and rocks. |
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Apr 11 2022, 11:05 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 680 Joined: 9-May 21 From: Germany Member No.: 9017 |
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Apr 11 2022, 11:20 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 75 Joined: 8-July 15 Member No.: 7566 |
Sol 405 she turned around!! Looks like she might approach the base of the delta If they do indeed decide to drive towards the base of the delta, then checking out the geological contact between the lake sediments and the Maaz formation (lava flow) might be the reason why. Perhaps they think they've spotted an outcrop that shows this, or they think they'll be able to see the contact using RIMFAX (the ground-penetrating radar). Investigating this contact would be important because hopefully they'd be determine whether the lava flow postdates the lake or pre-dates the lake, which means when we do radiometric dating on those igneous rock cores upon return to Earth we'll know whether we're getting a minimum or maximum age for the delta. Alternatively, perhaps they just decided to turn on the spot for some reason. Guess we'll see soon. |
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Apr 11 2022, 12:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
I would avoid driving near the parachute. We learned not long ago that even in the thin Martian atmosphere, a sudden dust storm can throw sand onto the rover deck. Movement of the parachute during a storm or by a dust devil is quite possible. I would not want the rover to get tangled in a parachute. Better, the rover avoids unnecessary risks and provides spectacular images of Martian landscapes and rocks. I was not speaking of rolling on Perseverance's parachute, but get close enough to make a nice picture, like the Chinese did. And the local scenery with its background mountains, would make such pictures truly spectacular Spectacular enough to make world press publications (nobody noticed the Chinese picture release, save from space enthusiasts). |
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Apr 11 2022, 02:56 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Spectacular enough to make world press publications (nobody noticed the Chinese picture release, save from space enthusiasts). Nobody would notice Perseverance doing it either, apart from space enthusiasts. Tianwen-1 was blessed with a very traversable terrain and a strategic route that went straight past their backshell anyway. It essentially cost them nothing to do it. M2020’s backshell is not so fortunate. It landed in some rough terrain - round trip to get from here to the far side of it, safely, and back again, is probably two weeks of effort. That doesn’t seem a sensible thing to do with ~$30M worth of prime mission. It would likely gain as much “Why are we littering Mars” coverage as “Wow -let’s pay for more space” coverage. I have already seen the ‘littering’ comment repeatedly after the few Mastcam shots. This mission, like Curiosity, has shown it is totally open to doing cool stuff purely for EPO (selfies, etc) but an expedition to go get a back shell postcard I think would constitute a pretty irresponsible way to spend prime mission time. |
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Apr 11 2022, 08:09 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10173 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
-------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Apr 11 2022, 09:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
M2020’s backshell is not so fortunate. It landed in some rough terrain - round trip to get from here to the far side of it, safely, and back again, is probably two weeks of effort. That doesn’t seem a sensible thing to do with ~$30M worth of prime mission Good point Doug. Well noted. So, we hope that we could get good pictures of the backshell and its parachute from the helicopter Ingenuity which is not far away from them Those could be even more spectacular ! "Dare Mighty Things" |
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Apr 12 2022, 11:57 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1619 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Bergerac - FR Member No.: 678 |
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Apr 12 2022, 12:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 680 Joined: 9-May 21 From: Germany Member No.: 9017 |
97 new Mastcam-Z raw images of the delta from sol 306 just arrived.
Here are three of them, specially selected for the "inner sedimentologist" of Saturns Moon Titan, in a processed version. A note for new visitors: the blue color of some of the stones in the images is due to color enhancement. In reality they are more gray or brownish gray. |
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Apr 12 2022, 02:24 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 27-February 22 Member No.: 9153 |
97 new Mastcam-Z raw images of the delta from sol 306 just arrived. Here are three of them, specially selected for the "inner sedimentologist" of Saturns Moon Titan, in a processed version. A note for new visitors: the blue color of some of the stones in the images is due to color enhancement. In reality they are more gray or brownish gray. last image looks igneous |
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