Live Dust Devil? |
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Apr 27 2005, 04:04 AM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
QUOTE (alan @ Apr 27 2005, 03:26 AM) Another one East of Clarke Hill http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/fo...I4P1214L0M1.JPG I wonder if we will see one in Tennessee Valley someday That is a great shot! Too bad it is from a hazcam. -------------------- |
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Apr 27 2005, 04:04 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 295 |
And we thought we may never be lucky enough to catch a live Devil -- now we see them everywhere much of the time (in season). Makes one wonder how old the large streaks seen in satellite pictures are or are not. Looks like a very dynamic surface at least from a weathering point of view. The truly large Devil events may be really rare but the small ones certainly aren't and a lot of dust gets moved around -- even onto and off of our little year old rovers. Are the erosion effects and dune structures we observe much younger than originally thought? Do we see variations in the satellite shots over the few years we've been able to view them in good resolution?
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Apr 27 2005, 04:17 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 7-March 05 From: Switzerland Member No.: 186 |
QUOTE (tedstryk @ Apr 27 2005, 04:04 AM) QUOTE (alan @ Apr 27 2005, 03:26 AM) Another one East of Clarke Hill http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/fo...I4P1214L0M1.JPG I wonder if we will see one in Tennessee Valley someday That is a great shot! Too bad it is from a hazcam. Really it's a pity, that was an especially beauty one. Maybe there are still navcam pics to download. -------------------- |
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Apr 27 2005, 04:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 688 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Sweden Member No.: 273 |
QUOTE (Trader @ Apr 27 2005, 06:04 PM) And we thought we may never be lucky enough to catch a live Devil -- now we see them everywhere much of the time (in season). Makes one wonder how old the large streaks seen in satellite pictures are or are not. Looks like a very dynamic surface at least from a weathering point of view. The truly large Devil events may be really rare but the small ones certainly aren't and a lot of dust gets moved around -- even onto and off of our little year old rovers. Are the erosion effects and dune structures we observe much younger than originally thought? Do we see variations in the satellite shots over the few years we've been able to view them in good resolution? Trader Large-scale albedo changes between one opposition and the next have of course been well documented since back in the nineteenth century. tty |
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Apr 29 2005, 02:35 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 14-March 05 Member No.: 195 |
Ok can sombody give me a step by step to cancle out the background in photoshop? do i just do a positive and negative image and merge them?? thanks
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May 6 2005, 11:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1887 Joined: 20-November 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 110 |
more dust devil movies
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre.../20050506a.html |
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May 7 2005, 05:22 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 14-March 05 Member No.: 195 |
QUOTE (alan @ May 6 2005, 11:13 PM) SWEET scott |
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May 7 2005, 07:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 7-March 05 From: Switzerland Member No.: 186 |
Wow, one dust (tornado) devil was about 200 meters high (Hills approx. 80 meters over ground). I most like this dust devil armada wandering through Gusev.
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May 7 2005, 07:42 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 7-March 05 From: Switzerland Member No.: 186 |
QUOTE (wyogold @ Apr 29 2005, 04:35 AM) Ok can sombody give me a step by step to cancle out the background in photoshop? do i just do a positive and negative image and merge them?? thanks scott You can use the "background-eraser" for that. Erase with it in the background layer. But you must know, then you only can save your picture as GIF-file, if you want it without background. -------------------- |
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May 16 2005, 08:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
Many other devils in last 3 sol, last one is pretty impressive:
The two frames are 201sec apart...I hope someone want to make enhanced version! -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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May 17 2005, 03:33 AM
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May 17 2005, 05:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ May 17 2005, 03:33 AM) Good work Ed... I can see dust also in the sky portion of 2nd image! Which technique do you use? -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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May 18 2005, 02:54 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 14-March 05 Member No.: 195 |
I showed how to do this in the image section of this forum but i'll post a quote here
QUOTE (wyogold @ May 10 2005, 08:48 AM) OK I posted questions in the live dust devil topic and didn't get much response. I have now done some tries at enhancements but I am not a Photoshop wizard. I am getting close to the enhancements that JPL does but something is missing. My images turn out grainy when I tweak the contrast. Here is the process. 1. select 2 images that are the same view, size and filter. (preferably one with dd and one without.) 2. invert (negative) one of the images. 3. select all on the inverted image 4. paste to the other non inverted image 5. decrease the opacity of the inverted image layer to 50% 6. merge visible 7. increase contrast (this is where things are going not quite right) you now have an image that is only what has changed between images. (like dust devils or such) Now you can take the image and place it back over the original to enhance the dust devil. I would really appreciate it if somebody more adept at modifying images could tell me what I'm doing wrong and why my images don't look like jpl's. thanks Wish I had more time to do this with all the frames and build a movie. My earth rocks are getting in the way of my mars rocks *sigh* Here are my attempts. One raw and another running it through a filter or two before combinding with the original. scott enjoy scott |
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May 18 2005, 07:07 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
We've all seen the dust devil movies posted May 6 at the JPL MER site... but I haven't noticed anyone mentioning the last set on the page. Not only does that last movie capture the by-now "standard run" of small dust devils dancing across the plains, it captures two of the very large variety, whose bases were likely hidden by the curvature of the horizon but which you could see towering into the air hundreds and hundreds of meters.
These are the *big* dust devils that have been observed from orbit. I was beginning to wonder if they co-existed within Gusev with the smaller variety. I guess I never made it to the bottom of that page before today... shame on me. Here's the link -- notice that while there is one very obvious large devil on the horizon, there is another one about one-eighth or of the image width to the left of the strongly visible devil that blows in and out of view: JPL MER Site The large devils on the horizon look quite a bit different from the little ones we can see dancing along the plains in the foreground -- they're taller, they entrain more dust, they remain coherent for longer periods, and they move more slowly (at least relative to the frame). During the time the major large devil takes to move a tiny amount, four or five little devils dance across the frame out on the plains. In fact, it looks like one little devil passes very, very close to Spirit, near the end of the sequence. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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May 18 2005, 11:59 AM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 468 Joined: 11-February 04 From: USA Member No.: 21 |
Spirit caught another great dust devil, in the sol 483 navcams. It is in at least 7 of the frames, and seems to be posing for the camera...starting out at left side of the frame and traveling across to the right over the course of about 10 minutes.
Here's an enhanced movie (using the difference image technique, with a scaling factor of 4 on the difference image before being added back to the median image): http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/collections/s..._sol483_nav.gif source images : http://nasa.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2005-05-18/ |
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