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gndonald
post Aug 15 2005, 03:36 PM
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While the likelyhood of a Mercury Lander mission is very low, I was wondering if any planning/studies have been done on such a project?
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edstrick
post Nov 27 2005, 08:43 PM
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Two or three years ago, there was some reporting on an odd meteorite that had distinctive isotope patterns and chemistry. There was some speculation it was Mercury ejecta, but that interpretation didn't seem strongly favored. I don't recall it's name/designation. I've heard no further discussion of it, and have wondered what the status on it is. Meteoritical Society meeting abstracts may have contained something but I haven't broused them extensively.
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post Nov 28 2005, 01:55 AM
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I can't find the reference to the Mercury smash-and-grab sample return either, although I had found it on the web a couple of years ago. It was a real "outsider" proposal, conceived from someone not really working in space exploration, IIRC, and I don't know if it was an official Discovery proposal or not -- yet it is a solid idea. Certainly this kind of sample return is not as useful scientifically as having a rover move around and delicately select a geologist's wishlist, but what this kind of mission lacks in benefit, it makes up for in cost savings.

NWA 011 is the name of the meteorite that was speculated upon as being mercurean in origin. Here are some discussions of the item's origin, however, that don't even mention the word "Mercury", FWIW:

http://web.utk.edu/~lataylor/pub-list/Floss-1153.pdf
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1094.pdf
http://aaa.wustl.edu/Work/pub_files/northwestafrica011.html

There can only be so many rocky parent bodies in our solar system's past/present that were large enough to exhibit major radiogenic heating, and Mercury is one of them. Perhaps we'll end up with an exhaustive list one day and identify the Mercury meteorites by elimination. But we're not close to that day...

A smash-and-grab sample return would not only have its own value, but would also possibly clinch the identification of Mercury meteorites in our possession. In terms of delta-v, we more or less need a solar orbit that has aphelion at 1 AU and perihelion at 0.48 AU -- that is more delta-v than a Venus/Mars lander, but then the craft would essentially be an Earth lander without instruments. It would be highly desirable to perform remote sensing of the impact site, a la Deep Impact -- the instruments should perhaps be mainly contained on the impactor, since instruments on the return craft wouldn't have any use after the impact while flying back to Earth.
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- gndonald   Mercury Landers   Aug 15 2005, 03:36 PM
- - Patteroast   The European 'BepiColumbo' mission planned...   Aug 15 2005, 04:13 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Patteroast @ Aug 15 2005, 05:13 PM)The...   Aug 15 2005, 07:05 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Aug 15 2005, 12:05 PM)The p...   Aug 16 2005, 03:55 PM
- - djellison   Impactor could work Doug   Aug 15 2005, 07:24 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   ESA studied alternative possible designs for a Bep...   Aug 15 2005, 07:30 PM
- - remcook   Although the Bepi-Colombo lander is cancelled, ESA...   Aug 16 2005, 08:44 AM
- - djellison   Well - studies dont equal flight hardware. Maybe ...   Aug 16 2005, 08:57 AM
- - remcook   actually, hardware is actually made at this moment...   Aug 16 2005, 03:01 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   (1) That Mercury smash-and-grab mission is a real...   Aug 16 2005, 07:53 PM
|- - DDAVIS   [quote=BruceMoomaw,Aug 16 2005, 07:53 PM] (2) Ac...   Aug 16 2005, 10:30 PM
|- - JRehling   Not to be a party-pooper, but the degree of spec...   Aug 17 2005, 06:44 AM
- - djellison   Well quite - of the planets on which one COULD lan...   Aug 16 2005, 10:46 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   You're forgetting 2003 UB313, Doug... (Or, alt...   Aug 17 2005, 12:57 AM
|- - um3k   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 16 2005, 08:57 PM)Yo...   Aug 17 2005, 01:06 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   JRehling, your smash and grab idea is interesting....   Aug 17 2005, 06:11 AM
- - edstrick   JRehling observed " We probably have, or will...   Aug 17 2005, 10:59 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 17 2005, 03:59 AM)JRehl...   Aug 17 2005, 04:02 PM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 17 2005, 10:59 AM)Where...   Sep 1 2005, 02:36 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   What is astonishing with Mercury is that it closel...   Aug 17 2005, 12:29 PM
- - centsworth_II   If getting a refector on Mercury is the objective,...   Aug 17 2005, 04:44 PM
- - tty   Here is a recent study of the probability of findi...   Aug 17 2005, 05:48 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   We don't want a reflector on Mercury for libra...   Aug 17 2005, 10:12 PM
- - Myran   Cant but agree with BruceMoomaw, libration studies...   Aug 18 2005, 05:55 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   centsworth_II your idea is interesting, but it wou...   Aug 18 2005, 06:40 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I honestly don't know why they had it in mind,...   Aug 19 2005, 06:40 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 18 2005, 11:40 PM)I ...   Aug 19 2005, 01:54 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Well, I know that, John. I presumed that Richard ...   Aug 19 2005, 06:23 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 19 2005, 11:23 AM)We...   Aug 19 2005, 09:31 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   ESA was thinking about a lander only 3 degrees fro...   Sep 1 2005, 03:01 AM
- - tasp   Just throwing out some ideas, may be helpful in th...   Nov 26 2005, 06:14 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 26 2005, 07:14 PM)Just thro...   Nov 26 2005, 06:30 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Nov 26 2005, 08:30 PM)The k...   Nov 27 2005, 04:42 PM
|- - DEChengst   QUOTE (tty @ Nov 27 2005, 05:42 PM)The best a...   Nov 27 2005, 09:20 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   There was, I've heard (though I haven't co...   Nov 26 2005, 09:13 PM
- - edstrick   Two or three years ago, there was some reporting o...   Nov 27 2005, 08:43 PM
|- - JRehling   I can't find the reference to the Mercury smas...   Nov 28 2005, 01:55 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Keep in mind that this thing will fly past Mercury...   Nov 28 2005, 02:11 AM
- - ljk4-1   In this 1971 book, Beyond the Moon: Future Explora...   May 30 2006, 06:15 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   NASA never -- and I mean never -- put any Mercury ...   May 31 2006, 05:45 AM


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