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Sep 24 2006, 12:19 PM
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I propose that NASA send a new probe to be named Venus-Express Express. It's mission is to go to Venus and check on what Venus Express is doing, and see if it is even still there.
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Sep 24 2006, 01:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
I propose that NASA send a new probe to be named Venus-Express Express. It's mission is to go to Venus and check on what Venus Express is doing, and see if it is even still there. Why? I see no reason to send it for very small importance for a very high cost. Rodolfo |
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Sep 24 2006, 01:36 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 562 Joined: 29-March 05 Member No.: 221 |
*whoosh*
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Sep 24 2006, 02:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Why? I see no reason to send it for very small importance for a very high cost. It's called sarcasm, Rodolfo! -------------------- |
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Sep 24 2006, 03:57 PM
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Dublin Correspondent Group: Admin Posts: 1799 Joined: 28-March 05 From: Celbridge, Ireland Member No.: 220 |
It's called sarcasm, Rodolfo! In any case sarcasm or not the deafening silence emanating from the halls of the ESA public outreach offices for VEX is just bloody typical. And yes I know they are all really busy scientists and all the rest but it's my bloody tax euros that pays for it and I'm not feeling that its being well spent at the moment to be honest. |
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Sep 24 2006, 06:01 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14434 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
I totally agree and am utterly disgusted by the situation to be honest. If the opportunity is there - I will be asking questions about this at Valencia.
Doug |
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Sep 25 2006, 12:00 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
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Guest_DonPMitchell_* |
Sep 25 2006, 12:33 PM
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Personally I think the difference is that ESA is embedded in the comfortable burocracy of the European Union. They simply do not have to care about public opinion -- it has less connection to their funding. NASA has a much larger budget, and it has to answer to congress for that money every year. It is not a foregone conclusion that they will keep getting it.
Also space programs are instruments for building national identity, and pan-European nationalism is still a work in progress. As such the ESA is probably considered important in Brussels. As for academic psychology, I think that is a constant world-wide. |
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Sep 25 2006, 02:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
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Sep 25 2006, 06:10 PM
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Sep 26 2006, 01:48 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8785 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Come to that, it's far too easy to forget that MEx is still there!!! If we're going to launch a VEx-ex, might as well send a MEx-ex as well...
Cultural differences aside, I'm sure that the twin paradigms of "publish or perish" and "no bucks=no Buck Rogers" must hold true in the ESA as they do in NASA and the overall scientific community. Therefore, I am at a complete loss with respect to understanding the overwhelming lack of information from these missions. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Sep 26 2006, 06:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
Come to that, it's far too easy to forget that MEx is still there!!! If we're going to launch a VEx-ex, might as well send a MEx-ex as well... And, for some aspects, MRO can be considered a MEx-ex! -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Sep 26 2006, 07:08 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14434 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Perhaps they could 'do an MGS' and image MEX with HiRISE just to make sure it's still there
Doug |
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Sep 26 2006, 09:26 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 127 Joined: 18-July 05 Member No.: 438 |
Personally I think the difference is that ESA is embedded in the comfortable burocracy of the European Union. They simply do not have to care about public opinion -- it has less connection to their funding. NASA has a much larger budget, and it has to answer to congress for that money every year. It is not a foregone conclusion that they will keep getting it. Also space programs are instruments for building national identity, and pan-European nationalism is still a work in progress. As such the ESA is probably considered important in Brussels. I think your general sentiments are correct, but remember that ESA and the EU are not one and the same. Clearly there's a big overlap in membership, but there are several countries that are members of one body and not of the other (e.g. Norway). I wouldn't go so far as saying that ESA don't have to care about public opinion; they clearly benefit funding-wise in the long-term from high-profile, successful missions that the general public have heard about. As you implied, there's an extra layer separating ESA from the taxpayers compared to the US though, which insulates them to a certain degree. The national funding agencies of the ESA member states do a lot of the publicity themselves, highlighting their separate contributions to various missions. The degree to which these agencies do that varies considerably. PPARC in the UK, for example, regard a commitment to public communication of the work they're funding as very important in awarding grants to e.g., university research groups. In some other countries, there is no such official requirement for results to be reported to the general public. As the body responsible for entire missions, and hence the release of relevant data, I agree that ESA could be doing much more, and would benefit in the long-term from doing so. Maybe things would change if individual member states were to specifically require in return for their funding support some regular, fairly high-profile public updates from ESA on missions' progress, together with timely (though not premature) data releases. |
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Sep 26 2006, 02:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 2-March 05 Member No.: 180 |
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