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jabe
post Jan 4 2007, 02:47 AM
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Blue origins update..
go Bezos go
BTW hate the web page but neat videos.. From nasawatch resource
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edstrick
post Jan 4 2007, 12:53 PM
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With adequate heat shielding, a vehicle derived from the current shell design for this test vehicle could make a very nice reusable orbital vehicle when put on top of a reusable DC-X style first stage.

One of the fundamental advantages of a VTVL vehicle <vertical take off vertical landing> is you can have a structurally efficient vehicle, structually efficient tanks (unlike the horrific X33 from Lockmart) minimal landing leg mass, no wings, use your flight rocket engines at very low thrust and only carry a little extra fuel for landing.. and you can land (as DC-X did) on unimproved reasonably flat terrain.
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post Jan 4 2007, 08:27 PM
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Back in the 1960s there were a number of paper studies by Philip Bono at Douglas Aircraft Company, Inc looking at future launchers. Notable was SASSTO, an S-!VB derived single stage to orbit design. SASSTO had a payload capability of 3,629kg to a 185km orbit. Many excellent colour paintings of this and other projects were included in the 1974 'Frontiers of Space' book he co-authored with BIS stalwart Kenneth Gatland.

http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/sassto.htm

Wings won in the first serious stab at RLV technology, but the economics of VTVL remain attractive. Bono's beloved plug-nozzle rocket engine design has still not been flight tested on a large scale, though the X33 and VentureStar would have used such propulsion.


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- jabe   Blue Origins   Jan 4 2007, 02:47 AM
- - helvick   I was always a fan of the DC-X concept so this rea...   Jan 4 2007, 09:42 AM
- - djellison   Well - consider the Atlas-Mercury flights. That w...   Jan 4 2007, 10:04 AM
- - tty   The first stage of Titan I had genuine SSTO capabi...   Jan 4 2007, 11:16 AM
- - edstrick   With adequate heat shielding, a vehicle derived fr...   Jan 4 2007, 12:53 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Back in the 1960s there were a number of paper stu...   Jan 4 2007, 08:27 PM
- - climber   The goal here is "only" to get to 100 km...   Jan 4 2007, 08:19 PM
- - nprev   As a side note, this test is getting a lot of medi...   Jan 5 2007, 01:36 AM
- - edstrick   X33 was a good idea to follow up the DC-X with, bu...   Jan 5 2007, 09:50 AM
- - nprev   With respect to Blue Origin, a friend of mine ...   Jan 6 2007, 12:52 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 6 2007, 12:52 AM) un-n...   Jan 6 2007, 01:32 AM
- - nprev   Wellll....I'm not much of an orbitsmith yet, B...   Jan 6 2007, 02:58 AM
- - remcook   if you do a Hohmann-style rendezvous, you mean tha...   Jan 6 2007, 11:55 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Absolutely! Going straight up with a VTVL fir...   Jan 6 2007, 01:50 PM
- - nprev   Yeah (sigh), that's probably quite true; a use...   Jan 7 2007, 03:47 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 6 2007, 10:47 PM) Yeah...   Jan 9 2007, 06:35 PM
- - edstrick   I have wondered if a 2 stage double DC-X type migh...   Jan 7 2007, 09:51 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   I think the word you're looking for is 'Ki...   Jan 7 2007, 01:48 PM
- - edstrick   The Kstler vehicles are being soft <parachute a...   Jan 8 2007, 12:22 PM
- - djellison   With such high gravity to fight against, and a nic...   Jan 8 2007, 01:03 PM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 8 2007, 01:03 PM) ...   Jan 8 2007, 02:55 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (AndyG @ Jan 8 2007, 06:55 AM) Comp...   Jan 8 2007, 04:35 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 8 2007, 05:35 PM)...   Jan 8 2007, 07:48 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (climber @ Jan 8 2007, 07:48 PM) I ...   Jan 8 2007, 10:22 PM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 8 2007, 02:22 PM) S...   Jan 9 2007, 03:53 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (mchan @ Jan 9 2007, 03:53 AM) Ahh,...   Jan 9 2007, 08:37 AM
- - nprev   Well, it actually was just a back-of-the envelope ...   Jan 11 2007, 02:07 AM
- - edstrick   Landing an Apollo like capsule on rockets is -- of...   Jan 11 2007, 12:21 PM


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