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T16 RADAR SAR Swath, Land o' lakes
volcanopele
post Jul 24 2006, 09:33 PM
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Much to my surprise, a chunk of the T16 Sar swath as been released:

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08630

An abundance of lakes can been seen. Some appear to be crater lakes (or sinkholes), like the lake at far left on the top cutout. That lake appears similar to Crater Lake in Oregon, with a little island in the middle (you can kinda see the attenuation of the signal surrounding the island as the methane gets deeper). Some lakes appear quite distinctive from the surrounding terrain, like the features on the right part of the bottom cutout.


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post Jul 24 2006, 11:18 PM
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To quote Emily from her Planetary Society blog

"WOO HOO" ...... indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what will it take to confirm that what we see are indeed liquid lakes? Should we look for evaporation over time? What are the radiometric and scatterometry characteristics that could nail this down (are there any)?

Agree with Jason that these have the visible character of some of the calderas on Io.

How VERY COOL (pun intended)!!!!!!!!

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post Jul 25 2006, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Jul 24 2006, 01:18 PM) *
But what will it take to confirm that what we see are indeed liquid lakes?

If by "confirm" you mean a point at which everyone unequivocally accepts a "liquid lakes" explanation for these particular RADAR data, then probably not until a probe actually lands in one, if then. In other words, I'm sure that up until that point there will be holdouts who will offer, for example, heuristic plausibility arguments positing alternative explanations.
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post Jul 25 2006, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 25 2006, 01:23 AM) *
If by "confirm" you mean a point at which everyone unequivocally accepts a "liquid lakes" explanation for these particular RADAR data, then probably not until a probe actually lands in one, if then. In other words, I'm sure that up until that point there will be holdouts who will offer, for example, heuristic plausibility arguments positing alternative explanations.


When they come into sunlight, could Cassini detect specular glints from them?

Also, have we seen features that could be dry lakes elsewhere on Titan?
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post Jul 25 2006, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (David @ Jul 24 2006, 06:25 PM) *
Also, have we seen features that could be dry lakes elsewhere on Titan?


Quite a few, I'm sure. There are linear features in north of Tsegihi that I've always thought are (probably) dry versions of the Scottish lochs. In fact, they were among the very first features to show up in any Cassini images.

It's a reasonable conjecture that the entire darker equatorial region is a dry sea. In fact, it may be hard to explain unless it were at some point entirely submerged.
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post Jul 25 2006, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 25 2006, 11:45 AM) *
Quite a few, I'm sure. There are linear features in north of Tsegihi that I've always thought are (probably) dry versions of the Scottish lochs. In fact, they were among the very first features to show up in any Cassini images.

Hm. On earth, lochs are glacial features. So are the scattered Minnesota-style lakes to which the Titanian lakes are being compared. But glaciation isn't possible on Titan -- is it?
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- volcanopele   T16 RADAR SAR Swath   Jul 24 2006, 09:33 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 24 2006, 11:33 A...   Jul 24 2006, 09:39 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 24 2006, 02:39...   Jul 25 2006, 03:25 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 24 2006, 05:25 PM) ...   Jul 25 2006, 06:15 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 25 2006, 11:15...   Aug 1 2006, 04:42 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Aug 1 2006, 09:42 AM...   Aug 8 2006, 05:51 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 8 2006, 10:51 AM) D...   Aug 8 2006, 06:26 PM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Aug 8 2006, 07:26 PM...   Aug 8 2006, 09:56 PM
- - volcanopele   Was that me? I forget now But to be honest, the...   Jul 24 2006, 09:42 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 24 2006, 11:42 A...   Jul 24 2006, 09:45 PM
- - ugordan   Wow, this is it! Finally here we have a body ...   Jul 24 2006, 09:47 PM
- - David   This is fantastic stuff. I'd be even happier ...   Jul 24 2006, 09:48 PM
- - djellison   The largest body in the top right actually has som...   Jul 24 2006, 09:59 PM
- - The Messenger   Can it be stated with certainty that these are not...   Jul 24 2006, 10:02 PM
- - volcanopele   They do get radiometry at the same time they acqui...   Jul 24 2006, 10:20 PM
- - belleraphon1   To quote Emily from her Planetary Society blog ...   Jul 24 2006, 11:18 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Jul 24 2006, 01:18 ...   Jul 25 2006, 01:23 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 25 2006, 01:23...   Jul 25 2006, 01:25 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (David @ Jul 24 2006, 03:25 PM) Whe...   Jul 25 2006, 01:30 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (David @ Jul 24 2006, 06:25 PM) Als...   Jul 25 2006, 11:45 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 25 2006, 11:45 AM) ...   Jul 25 2006, 12:00 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (David @ Jul 25 2006, 06:00 AM) Hm....   Jul 25 2006, 01:35 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Jul 25 2006, 09:35...   Jul 25 2006, 01:53 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (David @ Jul 25 2006, 05:00 AM) Hm....   Jul 25 2006, 03:36 PM
- - Rob Pinnegar   Okay. Let's assume that these are lakes. The...   Jul 24 2006, 11:31 PM
- - belleraphon1   Agree here with Rob... Close up monitoring of th...   Jul 24 2006, 11:50 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   Now Titan is even more interesting than before, an...   Jul 25 2006, 12:26 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 24 2006, 05:26...   Jul 25 2006, 03:37 AM
|- - qraal   Hi All Lacustrine wannabes at last! QUOTE (J...   Jul 25 2006, 11:36 AM
||- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (qraal @ Jul 25 2006, 11:36 AM) Has...   Jul 25 2006, 11:38 AM
||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 25 2006, 01:38...   Jul 25 2006, 05:43 PM
|- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 24 2006, 10:37 PM) ...   Jul 25 2006, 07:08 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Jul 25 200...   Jul 25 2006, 09:09 PM
|- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 25 2006, 04:09...   Jul 25 2006, 09:37 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Jul 25 200...   Jul 25 2006, 09:43 PM
- - Decepticon   Does this radar swath go over the north pole? I...   Jul 25 2006, 01:00 AM
- - volcanopele   Unfortunately, it is very difficult to search for ...   Jul 25 2006, 02:08 AM
- - volcanopele   Note: South is up in both cutouts in the release, ...   Jul 25 2006, 02:19 AM
- - Olvegg   And what about translucency of luiqud for radar be...   Jul 25 2006, 05:08 PM
- - Myran   When UMSF got so slow yesterday I wondered if some...   Jul 25 2006, 09:00 PM
- - Matt   Just imagine what it would be like to be walking t...   Jul 25 2006, 10:07 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 25 2006, 10:07 PM) Just...   Jul 25 2006, 10:19 PM
||- - JRehling   In terms of Titanian skygazing, note that the rati...   Jul 25 2006, 10:41 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 25 2006, 12:07 PM) Just...   Jul 25 2006, 10:22 PM
- - Thorsten   I’m a little puzzled by the latest News Release on...   Jul 28 2006, 08:25 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (Thorsten @ Jul 28 2006, 09:25 AM) ...   Jul 28 2006, 09:04 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (ugordan @ Jul 28 2006, 11:04 AM) T...   Jul 28 2006, 10:33 AM
|- - angel1801   Just one simple question. When will we able to see...   Aug 8 2006, 02:55 PM
- - volcanopele   Best case scenario would probably be in October, e...   Aug 8 2006, 02:59 PM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Aug 8 2006, 03:59 PM...   Aug 8 2006, 06:17 PM
- - Big_Gazza   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 26 2006, 08:41 AM) ...   Aug 9 2006, 02:59 AM
|- - Thorsten   QUOTE (Big_Gazza @ Aug 9 2006, 04:59 AM) ...   Aug 9 2006, 06:19 AM
- - Bill Harris   I wonder how long twilight lasts on Titan? On Ear...   Aug 9 2006, 01:02 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 9 2006, 06:02 AM...   Aug 9 2006, 03:10 PM
- - Rob Pinnegar   More importantly, Titan turns on its axis only onc...   Aug 9 2006, 05:53 PM
- - ngunn   Bill's question is interesting. As he refers ...   Aug 10 2006, 09:57 AM
- - Matt   Anybody know anything about T17 yet? It sounds li...   Aug 27 2006, 10:30 AM
- - Thorsten   Apologies if this has been posted before, but ther...   Aug 31 2006, 11:57 AM


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