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Viking 1 & 2 landers from HiRISE, Landers definitively spotted
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post Dec 4 2006, 11:19 PM
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Thought I'd start a new topic for the HiRISE images of the Viking 1 and 2 landers:

Viking 1
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post Dec 6 2006, 04:44 PM
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Several years ago, I remember perusing a coffee table-type book on space exploration, and I noticed a high-resolution Viking orbiter picture of the VL1 landing site juxtaposed with an illustration depicting the VL1 aeroshell impacting the Martian surface. The caption accompanying both figures read:

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Viking 1's sterilized protective aeroshell (left) gouged out a small crater, half a mile (750 metres) north of the lander site itself (small arrow). The crater (large arrow) was not discovered until orbiter pictures were analysed in 1987.


Unfortunately, the book didn't offer any references for the picture; however, four years ago I contacted Bob Craddock at NASM. Years earlier, he had submitted an abstract to the 1994 Mars Environmental Survey workshop entitled "Rationale for a Mars Pathfinder Mission to Chryse Planitia (20 Degrees N, 40 Degrees W) and the Viking 1 Lander." His abstract suggested that MPF could examine the hole gouged out by the VL1 aeroshell, and I thought he might be able to track down the reference I was looking for.

Craddock replied:

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Unfortunately the reference you are looking for as never been published in a peer-reviewed journal. While still at NASA Goddard, Jim Garvin together with Olivier de Goursac from France's Promospace determined what would have been the most likely trajectory for the Viking aeroshell. They then examined photographs of the landing area taken after the spacecraft was on the surface and suggested that a small depression may have been created by the aeroshell. All of this came out in a half-page article in Aviation Week and Space Technology published on June 22, 1987, pages 84-85. The article does not reference an author. I asked Jim as to how the article got published, but that was years ago and I can't remember the story now.


I contacted Garvin at about the same time (ca. 2002), and he replied "I will look into it. I did that work with Olivier for fun, and it was 'published' in a magazine, not a peer-reviewed journal. It's been a while and my files are buried in deep vault storage at GSFC. Let me see what I can dig up!"

I just realized that I never followed-up with him biggrin.gif
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post Dec 6 2006, 06:31 PM
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I remember that Aviation Week article. Simply put, they misidentified features on the ground and noise in the images as hardware.

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QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 6 2006, 08:44 AM) *
Several years ago, I remember perusing a coffee table-type book on space exploration, and I noticed a high-resolution Viking orbiter picture of the VL1 landing site juxtaposed with an illustration depicting the VL1 aeroshell impacting the Martian surface. The caption accompanying both figures read:

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Unfortunately, the book didn't offer any references for the picture; however, four years ago I contacted Bob Craddock at NASM. Years earlier, he had submitted an abstract to the 1994 Mars Environmental Survey workshop entitled "Rationale for a Mars Pathfinder Mission to Chryse Planitia (20 Degrees N, 40 Degrees W) and the Viking 1 Lander." His abstract suggested that MPF could examine the hole gouged out by the VL1 aeroshell, and I thought he might be able to track down the reference I was looking for.

Craddock replied:

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I contacted Garvin at about the same time (ca. 2002), and he replied "I will look into it. I did that work with Olivier for fun, and it was 'published' in a magazine, not a peer-reviewed journal. It's been a while and my files are buried in deep vault storage at GSFC. Let me see what I can dig up!"

I just realized that I never followed-up with him biggrin.gif
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- elakdawalla   Viking 1 & 2 landers from HiRISE   Dec 4 2006, 11:19 PM
- - elakdawalla   I want to congratulate Phil Stooke for his right-o...   Dec 4 2006, 11:23 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2006, 03:23 PM...   Dec 4 2006, 11:52 PM
- - elakdawalla   ...and it looks like nobody got the Viking 2 site....   Dec 4 2006, 11:34 PM
|- - stevesliva   Wow. Very impressive stuff. (And an attaboy for ...   Dec 4 2006, 11:41 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2006, 04:34 PM...   Dec 4 2006, 11:41 PM
- - craigmcg   What's the scale - how far apart are the diffe...   Dec 4 2006, 11:49 PM
- - djellison   Well - that chute really doesn't need a questi...   Dec 4 2006, 11:55 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 4 2006, 03:55 PM) ...   Dec 5 2006, 12:27 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 4 2006, 02:27 PM) Now,...   Dec 5 2006, 12:32 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   I'd like to add congrats to Phil, too. I...   Dec 4 2006, 11:56 PM
- - kenny   Congrats encore. I suppose the Viking 2 chute mu...   Dec 5 2006, 12:11 AM
- - tim53   I just saw the press release as it went out. Afte...   Dec 5 2006, 12:54 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Tim got the Viking 1 position with a great bit of ...   Dec 5 2006, 01:20 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   Phil: I haven't checked but do you happen to k...   Dec 5 2006, 01:30 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 4 2006, 05:30 ...   Dec 5 2006, 05:44 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 4 2006, 07:44 PM) I be...   Dec 5 2006, 04:23 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I don't have the maps in front of me but it wa...   Dec 5 2006, 01:36 AM
- - Phil Stooke   I should add this, too... it looks like MSSS were ...   Dec 5 2006, 01:54 AM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 4 2006, 06:54 PM...   Dec 5 2006, 05:29 AM
- - Ant103   Incredible! It's simply incredible! 30...   Dec 5 2006, 08:35 AM
|- - Ian R   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Dec 5 2006, 08:35 AM) It ...   Dec 5 2006, 09:20 AM
- - remcook   did anyone comment yet on how amazing this all is?...   Dec 5 2006, 10:47 AM
- - Myran   QUOTE Ant103 wrote: It think that I found Big Joe,...   Dec 5 2006, 12:28 PM
- - gndonald   It's wonderful to see the landscapes that I ga...   Dec 5 2006, 02:18 PM
- - Ant103   Here is a more color-realistic view based on the h...   Dec 5 2006, 04:14 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Dec 5 2006, 11:14 AM) Her...   Dec 5 2006, 11:24 PM
- - PhilCo126   This certainly brings back some memories when I wa...   Dec 5 2006, 05:30 PM
- - Stu   Ant, A very sincere thanks to you for posting tha...   Dec 6 2006, 06:41 AM
- - SkyeLab   The BBC have picked up on these fantastic images: ...   Dec 6 2006, 09:12 AM
- - vikingmars   ...And the discovery of the location of the backsh...   Dec 6 2006, 03:52 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Dec 6 2006, 07:52 AM)...   Dec 6 2006, 06:30 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Several years ago, I remember perusing a coffee ta...   Dec 6 2006, 04:44 PM
|- - tim53   I remember that Aviation Week article. Simply put...   Dec 6 2006, 06:31 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 6 2006, 08:31 AM) I re...   Dec 6 2006, 06:50 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 6 2006, 10:50 ...   Dec 6 2006, 07:06 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 6 2006, 09:06 AM) I be...   Dec 6 2006, 07:21 PM
- - Ant103   [out_of-subjectmode]Oh? Olivier, qu'est-ce que...   Dec 6 2006, 06:48 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Dec 6 2006, 10:48 AM) [ou...   Dec 6 2006, 07:18 PM
|- - vikingmars   [quote name='Ant103' date='Dec 6 2006,...   Dec 6 2006, 07:37 PM
- - vikingmars   OK, here is the article from AWST ! The ...   Dec 6 2006, 08:20 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Dec 6 2006, 10:20 AM)...   Dec 6 2006, 08:26 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 6 2006, 12:26 ...   Dec 6 2006, 09:11 PM
- - climber   quote name='Ant103' date='Dec 6 2006, ...   Dec 6 2006, 08:54 PM
- - vikingmars   Oui, Climber ! Merci et ça m'a fait très p...   Dec 6 2006, 09:12 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Dec 6 2006, 10:12 PM)...   Dec 6 2006, 09:23 PM
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- - Phil Stooke   I see the streaks you mean, but I don't think ...   Jan 28 2007, 09:23 PM


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