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Dec 4th News Conference
djellison
post Dec 3 2008, 08:58 PM
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http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/dec/H...MSL_Update.html

From the wording of this announcement, MSL is clearly still on, which is a good thing. We'll have to wait and see.

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post Dec 4 2008, 08:08 PM
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It's somewhat disappointing to see that MSL has been delayed to a 2011 launch, but the upside is that there will be more time for testing of critical elements like the actuators which are critical and the all important skycrane which is a brand new technology.

It is better in my opinion for MSL to have a delay and a flawless flight/landing/surface operations than a rushed job resulting perhaps in at best a faulty rover that can't do good science on Mars and at worst a failed landing attempt and the consequences of that disaster. Beagle 2 and Mars Polar Lander paid the price of corner cutting and a big rush to launch.

That said, Emily's question regarding the riskiness of relying on MRO to support data downlink from MSL is very important. Might there now be a need to launch a dedicated Mars telecoms orbiter to support the surface missions , a plan that was scrapped a while back?
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- djellison   Dec 4th News Conference   Dec 3 2008, 08:58 PM
- - Stu   I know a lot of people involved with MSL lurk here...   Dec 3 2008, 09:06 PM
|- - SFJCody   Might be a delay announcement   Dec 4 2008, 12:00 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Dec 4 2008, 12:00 AM) Mi...   Dec 4 2008, 12:01 AM
- - centsworth_II   I guess they can report on whether the actuators n...   Dec 4 2008, 07:01 AM
|- - mars loon   It does sound more like a delay especially in li...   Dec 4 2008, 03:00 PM
- - Stu   Anyone here who wants to watch the briefing but ha...   Dec 4 2008, 04:54 PM
- - dvandorn   And it's official -- launch delay to 2011, pri...   Dec 4 2008, 05:03 PM
|- - MahFL   NO !!!!!!!!!...   Dec 4 2008, 05:09 PM
- - dvandorn   I understand the feeling. In addition, there is a...   Dec 4 2008, 05:12 PM
- - Stu   Disappointing, I know, but much, much better to de...   Dec 4 2008, 05:15 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Stu @ Dec 4 2008, 09:15 AM) ...ver...   Dec 4 2008, 05:25 PM
- - dvandorn   Charles Elachi -- "It doesn't matter if y...   Dec 4 2008, 05:17 PM
- - dvandorn   You sure, Mike? Griffin says that the coast therm...   Dec 4 2008, 05:27 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 4 2008, 09:27 AM) G...   Dec 4 2008, 05:49 PM
- - elakdawalla   The 2011 launch window is in December, right? Doe...   Dec 4 2008, 05:34 PM
- - dvandorn   And for those of you who are hoping that your pet ...   Dec 4 2008, 05:38 PM
- - dvandorn   When asked why it's so important to have the a...   Dec 4 2008, 05:43 PM
- - djellison   2011 window is October to December - yet to be det...   Dec 4 2008, 05:43 PM
- - elakdawalla   My question was answered. 2011 goes from Oct thro...   Dec 4 2008, 05:43 PM
- - dvandorn   OK, Mike -- thanks. I just figured that since the...   Dec 4 2008, 05:53 PM
- - elakdawalla   Dammit, they didn't get to me on the phone que...   Dec 4 2008, 05:58 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   I've been wondering that too Emily. I just ch...   Dec 4 2008, 06:14 PM
- - dvandorn   Spoke too soon, there, eh, Emily? Good to hear yo...   Dec 4 2008, 06:01 PM
- - djellison   Damn good question Emily.   Dec 4 2008, 06:01 PM
- - dvandorn   Also good to hear that the decay of the plutonium ...   Dec 4 2008, 06:03 PM
- - elakdawalla   Is 5% insignificant, given the fact that the trave...   Dec 4 2008, 06:04 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 10:04 AM...   Dec 4 2008, 06:52 PM
- - elakdawalla   OK, and here's one more question that I wouldn...   Dec 4 2008, 06:34 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 07:34 PM...   Dec 4 2008, 06:38 PM
|- - jsheff   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 01:34 PM...   Dec 4 2008, 06:51 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (jsheff @ Dec 4 2008, 07:51 PM) Out...   Dec 4 2008, 06:54 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 01:34 PM...   Dec 4 2008, 06:55 PM
- - sci44   Wasn't there talk of Maven being delayed? Anot...   Dec 4 2008, 06:51 PM
- - elakdawalla   Ah, I hadn't realized that. Thanks. --Emily   Dec 4 2008, 06:52 PM
- - elakdawalla   The only other Mars mission NASA is currently deve...   Dec 4 2008, 06:57 PM
- - djellison   Key point I got was that the $400m is not in ...   Dec 4 2008, 07:02 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 4 2008, 08:02 PM) ...   Dec 4 2008, 07:09 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 4 2008, 11:02 AM) ...   Dec 4 2008, 07:27 PM
- - Enceladus75   It's somewhat disappointing to see that MSL ha...   Dec 4 2008, 08:08 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Enceladus75 @ Dec 4 2008, 12:08 PM...   Dec 4 2008, 08:30 PM
- - sci44   It doesnt sound like NASA has funds for the Teleco...   Dec 4 2008, 08:30 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (sci44 @ Dec 4 2008, 12:30 PM) ESA ...   Dec 4 2008, 09:01 PM
- - djellison   A failure of MODY, MRO AND MEX in 4 years? Highly...   Dec 4 2008, 08:38 PM
- - elakdawalla   Yeah, I've little doubt that, barring some rea...   Dec 4 2008, 08:41 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 12:41 PM...   Dec 4 2008, 09:17 PM
- - djellison   By then, hopefully, we'll have Maven   Dec 4 2008, 08:45 PM
- - sci44   But we may need to delay Maven to pay for MSL. The...   Dec 4 2008, 08:50 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (sci44 @ Dec 4 2008, 08:50 PM) But ...   Dec 4 2008, 09:10 PM
- - elakdawalla   I just got an official reply to my question from D...   Dec 4 2008, 09:36 PM
|- - OWW   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 10:36 PM...   Dec 4 2008, 09:53 PM
|- - mars loon   Overall I was encouraged by the decisions and prog...   Dec 4 2008, 10:22 PM
|- - sci44   So it sounds like they can use MEX too. I did have...   Dec 4 2008, 10:25 PM
|- - PaulM   Does the two Year delay change the time of Year at...   Dec 4 2008, 10:55 PM
||- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (PaulM @ Dec 4 2008, 11:55 PM) Does...   Dec 5 2008, 09:11 AM
||- - PaulM   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Dec 5 2008, 10:11 AM) ...   Dec 5 2008, 09:44 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (sci44 @ Dec 4 2008, 02:25 PM) [DTE...   Dec 4 2008, 10:57 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 4 2008, 02:57 PM)...   Dec 4 2008, 11:08 PM
- - djellison   MER passes were typically 30 - 90 minutes, and MER...   Dec 4 2008, 11:18 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   True, but you had an orbiting satellite which has ...   Dec 4 2008, 11:29 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Dec 4 2008, 03:29 PM...   Dec 4 2008, 11:40 PM
- - djellison   That is DTE session. UHF sessions with orbite...   Dec 4 2008, 11:40 PM
- - Bobby   Oppy & Spirit will still be Trucking Along in ...   Dec 4 2008, 11:57 PM
|- - sci44   QUOTE (Bobby @ Dec 4 2008, 11:57 PM) Oppy...   Dec 5 2008, 12:08 AM
- - nprev   Hmm. You know, if (a big if indeed, I know) the ME...   Dec 5 2008, 12:58 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 4 2008, 04:58 PM) Can ...   Dec 5 2008, 03:52 AM
- - elakdawalla   As much as I love and admire the MERs, I think hav...   Dec 5 2008, 04:18 AM
- - nprev   True, Emily. Playing "what-if" is a very...   Dec 5 2008, 04:42 AM
- - monitorlizard   If I'm interpreting Ed Weiler correctly, NASA ...   Dec 5 2008, 09:28 AM
- - mps   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 08:34 PM...   Dec 5 2008, 09:43 AM
- - elakdawalla   It's a good question but I don't know what...   Dec 5 2008, 05:45 PM
- - Doc   3 of the landing sites currently being considered ...   Dec 5 2008, 06:44 PM
- - brellis   Alan Stern had something to say about this today: ...   Dec 6 2008, 05:07 AM
- - peter59   I would like notice that the postponement Mars Sci...   Dec 6 2008, 10:55 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (peter59 @ Dec 6 2008, 10:55 AM) I ...   Dec 7 2008, 07:28 PM
- - dvandorn   At the risk of continuing this divergence in the t...   Dec 6 2008, 05:17 PM
- - dvandorn   I just went looking for a rate table of DSN fees, ...   Dec 8 2008, 04:35 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 8 2008, 04:35 AM) S...   Dec 8 2008, 08:45 AM
- - dvandorn   Oh, agreed. And obviously, according to the formu...   Dec 8 2008, 02:03 PM
- - ilbasso   Maybe USMF members can all point their satellite T...   Dec 8 2008, 03:24 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (ilbasso @ Dec 8 2008, 07:24 AM) Ma...   Dec 8 2008, 04:04 PM
- - ilbasso   No, I didn't think this was physically possibl...   Dec 8 2008, 08:04 PM
- - imipak   Per "The Problem With Wikipedia" ( http:...   Dec 8 2008, 09:14 PM
|- - RoverDriver   Suppose you are in your livingroom and want to hea...   Dec 9 2008, 12:06 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   Perfect example Paolo! (you crack me up).   Dec 9 2008, 12:41 AM
- - Pando   Paolo, you just made my day...   Dec 9 2008, 03:57 AM
- - Oersted   2 years delay = 2 MSLīs? I am sure they can scro...   Dec 10 2008, 11:03 PM
- - djellison   QUOTE (Oersted @ Dec 10 2008, 11:03 PM) 2...   Dec 11 2008, 07:59 AM


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