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PhilHorzempa
post Apr 6 2007, 09:41 PM
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You can imagine this to be a companion thread to the one requesting suggestions
for MRO targets on Mars.

The LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter) is set to launch in a little over a year
from now. There was to a be a site selection workshop in May 2007, next month, but
I see now that it has been cancelled. Therefore, it appears that it is up to us, the UMSF
Community to take up the baton and help NASA out. It was done for New Horizons at Jupiter
and was very productive.

So, what are the sites that you would like to see imaged at 0.5 meter resolution by
LROC, LRO's High-Resolution camera?

My first suggestion would be to re-photograph the Surveyor 1 landing site to compare
it with the images obtained by Lunar Orbiter 3.

My second suggestion would be to photograph the Surveyor 6 landing area. This
should image S-6 itself, but even more interesting, it may capture images of
Surveyor 4, which should be only a mile or so away. This would help to
determine whatever happened to S-4, which abruptly stopped transmitting just
short of touchdown.



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Tom Tamlyn
post Jun 19 2009, 03:43 PM
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I've read that it will take a couple of months to fine tune the orbit.

How soon after that can we expect some high resolution pictures of an Apollo landing site?

(I realize that the scientific value isn't so high; I'm just eager to see them.)

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post Jun 19 2009, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Jun 19 2009, 05:43 PM) *
How soon after that can we expect some high resolution pictures of an Apollo landing site?

I read somewhere they will be trying to capture an image of the Apollo 11 landing site in time for the 40th anniversary.


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post Jul 8 2009, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE (ugordan @ Jun 19 2009, 12:02 PM) *
I read somewhere they will be trying to capture an image of the Apollo 11 landing site in time for the 40th anniversary.


According to http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/whereislro/ LRO is currently traversing longitude 71E and 109W in its orbit. Since its longitude moves westward about one degree every two-hour orbit, it should fly pretty close to the Apollo 11 landing site (at 23E) in about 71 - 23 = 48 orbits or about 4 days. Could it happen? smile.gif

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post Jul 8 2009, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jul 8 2009, 11:27 AM) *
Could it happen? smile.gif


Hmmm... let me think... 40th anniversary coming up... Constellation floundering... public support for a "Return To The Moon" sorely lacking... conspiracy theorists insisting we never went to the Moon in the first place... a science-friendly but budget-reviewing new President to impress....

I'm guessing "yes". laugh.gif


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post Jul 8 2009, 11:12 AM
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I'm guessing that even if it's taken, it won't be released until the actual anniversary date, probably on the day of the landing. Maximum PR impact etc.


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post Jul 8 2009, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE (ugordan @ Jul 8 2009, 07:12 AM) *
I'm guessing that even if it's taken, it won't be released until the actual anniversary date, probably on the day of the landing. Maximum PR impact etc.


I wonder what the PR impact of such an image would be though, outside the enthusiast ranks. What would it show? At 50cm/pixel at best (and probably more like 1m/pixel) it's not like much detail on the LEM platform (diameter 5m) or whatever would be resolved, right? People might say, "where are the footprints?"

Maybe Apollo 17 would be of more photographic interest? Since the rover traveled around quite a bit (35km total traverse), is it possible that its tracks would show up on the photo as discernible lines? It's at longitude 31E which should come up a bit quicker, this Saturday.


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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jul 8 2009, 07:16 AM) *
Maybe Apollo 17 would be of more photographic interest? Since the rover traveled around quite a bit (35km total traverse), is it possible that its tracks would show up on the photo as discernible lines? It's at longitude 31E which should come up a bit quicker, this Saturday.


From the LRO blog: "Saturday NAC imaging is again planned with our first off-nadir slews to perform the requested targeting. " hmm. i wonder what target was being requested...?

http://lroupdate.blogspot.com/
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QUOTE (floron @ Jul 9 2009, 08:09 PM) *
From the LRO blog: "Saturday NAC imaging is again planned with our first off-nadir slews to perform the requested targeting. " hmm. i wonder what target was being requested...?

http://lroupdate.blogspot.com/


Maybe so! Off-nadir might make for an more artsy angle, plus it's a pretty hilly area compared to the A11 site. I was just looking on line for a broader view of the "Taurus Littrow" area & couldn't really find one, but here's a snapshot of an image from a book:


Apollo 17 "Challenger" landed in the flatter region among the smallish craters to the right. The command module "America" is in this photo, silhouetted against the base of the South Massif.


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- PhilHorzempa   Targets for LRO   Apr 6 2007, 09:41 PM
- - nprev   Scientifically, Aristarchus (sp?) is probably the ...   Apr 6 2007, 10:36 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Other Phil, I have Surveyor 4 and Surveyor 6 about...   Apr 6 2007, 11:17 PM
- - As old as Voyager   If all the science has been achieved from LRO...   Apr 7 2007, 08:46 PM
- - Phil Stooke   A little snippet from NASA night at LPSC which I d...   Apr 7 2007, 11:58 PM
- - edstrick   Another crater/debris field that is poorly located...   Apr 8 2007, 07:34 AM
|- - As old as Voyager   The Luna 2 impact site will also boast a second cr...   Apr 8 2007, 09:12 AM
- - antipode   Is the LRO going to be able to image the terminato...   Apr 8 2007, 12:23 PM
|- - As old as Voyager   QUOTE (antipode @ Apr 8 2007, 01:23 PM) P...   Apr 8 2007, 04:38 PM
- - Phil Stooke   The Luna 2 third stage crashed about 30 minutes af...   Apr 8 2007, 12:29 PM
- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Apr 8 2007, 07:29 AM...   Apr 8 2007, 04:42 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I thought the shard was from an Apollo Hasselblad ...   Apr 8 2007, 06:28 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I want to clarify something Doug just said, citing...   Apr 8 2007, 06:51 PM
- - dvandorn   Oh, of course, Phil -- that's exactly what I m...   Apr 8 2007, 07:20 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Early Apollo sites were blanketed by high resoluti...   Apr 8 2007, 07:30 PM
- - Bernard   I vote for Ina, too.   Apr 10 2007, 08:35 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   Another LRO candidate would be the landing sites o...   Apr 10 2007, 04:58 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Luna 16 landed at night carrying cameras and artif...   Apr 10 2007, 06:04 PM
- - GravityWaves   I would like to see it image the rover tracks - Ap...   Apr 12 2007, 08:24 AM
- - J.J.   I have a soft spot for old Tycho; I'd love to ...   Apr 14 2007, 05:34 AM
- - dvandorn   The problem is, the Moon doesn't really have a...   Apr 14 2007, 01:31 PM
- - remcook   why is that? why is the moon so smooth? there...   Apr 14 2007, 08:55 PM
- - Phil Stooke   That's not really true. The surface is consta...   Apr 14 2007, 09:34 PM
- - Phil Stooke   This shows the area. - duh! - referred to in t...   Apr 14 2007, 11:03 PM
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- - SpaceListener   Thanks Phil for the fantastic link.   Jun 18 2009, 02:03 PM
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