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post May 27 2007, 10:08 AM
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Actually, Stu, I think the lightened area looks roughly the same in terms of the extent of duning as the rest of the surrounding terrain. It looks more to me like the lightened area has seen more deposition than the surrounding terrain -- the underlying lava-flow surface is more muted and softened in the lightened area.

I think what's happening here is that the prevailing winds are coming from the bottom of the image. As they pass over the hole, the air sinks a bit, and winds strike the rim of the hole along the top arc (all directions -- top, bottom, etc. -- relate to the orientation of your posted image). So the top arc of the rim is being eroded a little more rapidly than the rest of the rim, and the erosion product (basaltic dust, most likely) has been deposited on the ground beyond the top rim arc.

It's also at least somewhat possible that winds are entering the hole, swirling around, eroding the interior of the lava tube, and blowing dust out from the cavern and onto the ground above the top rim arc. I just don't think that Martian winds are powerful enough to reach into such a deep hole and scoop dust out of it, but I could be wrong. At any rate, it's impossible to model airflow into and out of that hole without having a decent idea of the size and shape of the empty lava tube, and we really have no way of determining that...

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post May 27 2007, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 27 2007, 11:08 AM) *
Actually, Stu, I think the lightened area looks roughly the same in terms of the extent of duning as the rest of the surrounding terrain. It looks more to me like the lightened area has seen more deposition than the surrounding terrain -- the underlying lava-flow surface is more muted and softened in the lightened area.


Ok, just me then! wink.gif

I did think first about airflow over the crater being responsible for the change in brightness, but I can't help wondering if there are other - smaller, so as yet unseen - holes in this area and they're all linked together... would that allow winds to be generated within a tunnel network leading to a higher-than-usual speed for winds coming up out of a hole like this? Please, no-one cuff me around the ear for asking that if it's impossible or stoopid, I'm just thinking aloud... smile.gif

And talking about smaller holes... anyone taken a closer look at these dark spots?

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No sign of lighter "streaks" above them, so maybe I'm just seeing holes that ain't there... or maybe they are holes that just aren't big enough to generate much airflow...

As I said, just thinking aloud...


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- AlexBlackwell   May 23, 2007, HiRISE release   May 23 2007, 04:01 PM
- - djellison   Ustrax - finally - you have what you asked for ht...   May 23 2007, 04:10 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ May 23 2007, 05:10 PM)...   May 23 2007, 04:20 PM
- - ngunn   Well, just look at that great big hole in the grou...   May 23 2007, 04:12 PM
|- - Juramike   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 23 2007, 12:12 PM) Wel...   May 23 2007, 10:06 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 23 2007, 11:06 PM) ...   May 25 2007, 10:01 AM
|- - ustrax   I've made a new animation focusing on the top-...   May 25 2007, 01:47 PM
|- - tedstryk   Perhaps they could rotate the spacecraft to compen...   May 25 2007, 03:03 PM
- - lyford   It's obvious that's an Acme Portable Hole ...   May 23 2007, 04:59 PM
- - Juramike   Wow!!! Is that the entrance or exit?   May 23 2007, 05:12 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 23 2007, 07:12 AM) ...   May 23 2007, 07:24 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ May 23 2007, 12:24...   May 23 2007, 07:48 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (nprev @ May 23 2007, 09:48 AM) (gr...   May 23 2007, 07:54 PM
- - nprev   ..okay, THIS made my jaw drop! Why so circular...   May 23 2007, 06:12 PM
- - djellison   Well - unless its many many km's - then there ...   May 23 2007, 06:16 PM
- - stevo   Looks to me like one of Kim Stanley Robinson's...   May 23 2007, 06:21 PM
|- - zoost   QUOTE (stevo @ May 23 2007, 06:21 PM) .. ...   May 24 2007, 11:25 AM
- - hendric   I wonder what IR will show us, especially at night...   May 23 2007, 06:39 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   Can someone less lazy than I do the calculations o...   May 23 2007, 07:20 PM
- - elakdawalla   See this topic for more information and links to c...   May 23 2007, 07:20 PM
- - volcanopele   Given this image's location on Mars, I would p...   May 23 2007, 07:32 PM
- - tty   Yes, but it must be a very large tube since the ho...   May 23 2007, 07:43 PM
- - nprev   The former; maybe he's tight enough with the l...   May 23 2007, 08:08 PM
- - djellison   38 degrees. Call it 130m across - sohcahtoa and a...   May 23 2007, 08:21 PM
- - elakdawalla   According to the caption on the image, though, HiR...   May 23 2007, 08:22 PM
- - elakdawalla   Just for grins, I went to HRSCview and located the...   May 23 2007, 08:41 PM
- - nprev   Nice find, Emily! Seems like it's right in...   May 23 2007, 08:53 PM
- - tuvas   Ahh, they finally released this picture. The one...   May 23 2007, 10:36 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (tuvas @ May 23 2007, 02:36 PM) Oh,...   May 23 2007, 11:34 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 23 2007, 04:34 P...   May 23 2007, 11:35 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   OK now I see the history of this with Odyssey. So...   May 23 2007, 11:38 PM
- - dvandorn   Looks like a good landing site for MSL -- if it st...   May 23 2007, 11:48 PM
- - antipode   Martian bungee jumping anyone? Surely this wil...   May 24 2007, 12:06 AM
- - antipode   Actally, regardless of how deep these things are, ...   May 24 2007, 02:08 AM
- - mchan   MRO is in sun-synchronous orbit so the nadir point...   May 24 2007, 03:20 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 23 2007, 03:41 P...   May 24 2007, 04:55 AM
|- - AndyG   Excellent. ~100m across? >200m deep? What a pla...   May 24 2007, 07:26 AM
|- - ustrax   Is it really impossible to dig out something from ...   May 24 2007, 09:36 AM
|- - akuo   QUOTE (ustrax @ May 24 2007, 09:36 AM) Is...   May 24 2007, 01:16 PM
|- - Gray   QUOTE (ustrax @ May 24 2007, 09:36 AM) No...   May 24 2007, 04:25 PM
- - djellison   Yes - it really is impossible. That's not det...   May 24 2007, 10:22 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ May 24 2007, 11:22 AM)...   May 24 2007, 01:17 PM
- - djellison   What sort of liquid at .006 bar and -80degC? Woul...   May 24 2007, 12:12 PM
- - climber   I can't imagine anything else than a hole in a...   May 24 2007, 12:33 PM
- - ngunn   Regarding that overhang: We are told that the sun...   May 24 2007, 12:42 PM
- - djellison   ^ "Oh, for those of you wanting to overlay M...   May 24 2007, 12:42 PM
- - zoost   There must be some liquids (carbon based) that abs...   May 24 2007, 12:47 PM
- - djellison   Because the ceiling is overhanging. It's a co...   May 24 2007, 01:02 PM
- - djellison   I'm not saying that you're not pulling out...   May 24 2007, 01:19 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ May 24 2007, 02:19 PM)...   May 24 2007, 02:04 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (djellison @ May 24 2007, 03:19 PM)...   May 24 2007, 03:30 PM
- - akuo   Binning done in the electronics before AD transfor...   May 24 2007, 02:21 PM
- - centsworth_II   Will we have to wait until there is a laser altime...   May 24 2007, 02:40 PM
- - Juramike   It's not an abyss, it's a martian oubliett...   May 24 2007, 04:10 PM
- - Stu   Maybe one day...   May 24 2007, 04:43 PM
- - tuvas   MRO flight rules limit the off-NADIR pointing to 3...   May 24 2007, 08:14 PM
|- - ustrax   Regarding the "work" I've done with ...   May 25 2007, 08:08 AM
- - ngunn   Thinking about the possible pattern of illuminatio...   May 25 2007, 09:01 AM
|- - Oersted   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 25 2007, 11:01 AM) Thi...   May 30 2007, 10:55 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Oersted @ May 30 2007, 11:55 AM) G...   Jun 4 2007, 09:55 AM
- - marswiggle   I had a quick look in the MOC Gallery for similar ...   May 25 2007, 03:23 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (marswiggle @ May 25 2007, 04:23 PM...   May 25 2007, 04:15 PM
- - nprev   Wait a minute, ustrax...are you sure that's no...   May 25 2007, 05:05 PM
- - Gray   Marswiggle, The image of Dena that you posted has...   May 25 2007, 05:22 PM
- - marswiggle   While I don't know, let them answer, in that v...   May 26 2007, 11:30 AM
- - Gray   Thanks. I should do more than look at the pictur...   May 26 2007, 02:01 PM
- - tty   130 meters deep, that is really something for a la...   May 26 2007, 06:31 PM
- - Stu   What's causing that lighter area to the top of...   May 27 2007, 09:48 AM
- - dvandorn   Actually, Stu, I think the lightened area looks ro...   May 27 2007, 10:08 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 27 2007, 11:08 AM) ...   May 27 2007, 10:21 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Stu @ May 27 2007, 12:21 PM) And t...   May 27 2007, 05:30 PM
- - djellison   I doubt it's wind through the lava tube itself...   May 27 2007, 11:38 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (djellison @ May 27 2007, 12:38 PM)...   May 27 2007, 03:13 PM
|- - Juramike   QUOTE (djellison @ May 27 2007, 07:38 AM)...   Jun 1 2007, 07:12 PM
- - nprev   Chilling yet fascinating, Stu...really captures th...   May 27 2007, 03:58 PM
- - J.J.   That. Is. Incredible. Interesting, how this one...   May 28 2007, 03:12 PM
- - tuvas   It's interesting, not since the Victoria crate...   May 28 2007, 05:22 PM
- - bdunford   I don't know if this is news to anyone, but FW...   Jun 1 2007, 06:04 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Are There Giant Caves on Mars? Planetary Radio Mo...   Jun 18 2007, 08:47 PM
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