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aldo12xu
post Feb 16 2006, 07:07 AM
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Don't mean to compete against the Home Sweet Home thread, but I thought I'd put together a summary of the main observations and points discussed so far with regard to Home Plate, especially now that the thread is almost 20 pages long. I wouldn't be surprised that even after we eventually get the spectroscopy data, we'll probably still have a way to go before we get a handle on the origin of Home Plate.

So, anyways, I hope everybody finds the post of some use. The link is on my homepage.

Cheers,
Aldo.



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Guest_Richard Trigaux_*
post Feb 24 2006, 01:09 PM
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I am very puzzled too they don't publish any results of analysis. But if they do so, they may have a serious reason. I note that, anyway, on the rovers site, they often comment events and image extensively, but just quote analysis results in some words "basaltic rock" or the like. See the results of Ultreya analysis, keeping in three words, when this mistery was a leitmotiv since months.

Climbing on top of Homeplate, as tdemko noted earlier, seems useless:
QUOTE (tdemko @ Feb 23 2006, 06:25 PM) *
... I understand the need to get a view of the top of Homeplate...but, we could have easily guessed what we see now: the top of the cross-laminated upper unit, eroded and blasted by subsequent impacts. ...
The only thing we learn from this is that the overal stratigraphy is nearby horizontal, a fact which was not obvious from the first side cross-section. (it sometimes happens that stratigraphy appears distorted close to a surface)


But there may be a surprise with the analysis, or an unexpected difficulty. If Homeplate was simply some volcanic ash deposit, they would have found it easily and published immediatelly, as with Ultreya. If it was salt too. (after all, it is not the first salt we find on Mars). But their silence is tell tale of something else. either:
-the composition is completelly unexpected or very interesting (for instance limestone)
-the analysis were not conclusive, for instance Homeplate is a sandstone witht the grains and the cement of different compositions, as some microscopic imager images suggest. If so, the X ray spectrometer would show a mixture of the two spectra.




QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 23 2006, 09:41 AM) *
Ok... contest: What's the silliest layered gunk we can come up with for lunatik-fringe specualtions on what Home Plate is made of?

I cannot resist this guilty temptation...

-thick layers of mantras left by tibetan monks billions years ago.

Not bad enough?

-Billion years old beach with still footprints of beautiful martian maiden...

Still worse?

-Damn that stupids had to step just on my heap of unpaid bills.
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post Feb 24 2006, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 24 2006, 07:09 AM) *
I am very puzzled too they don't publish any results of analysis. But if they do so, they may have a serious reason. I note that, anyway, on the rovers site, they often comment events and image extensively...


My guess is they're simply too busy right now, probably a bit of a crisis, trying to get home plate taken care of as best they can before they have to leave. We'll see the results soon enough when Spirit departs.

QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 23 2006, 09:41 AM) *
Ok... contest: What's the silliest layered gunk we can come up with for lunatik-fringe specualtions on what Home Plate is made of?


Millions of years of guano! We've discovered an ancient giant martian bat nesting site!
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post Feb 24 2006, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Feb 24 2006, 06:46 PM) *
My guess is they're simply too busy right now, probably a bit of a crisis, trying to get home plate taken care of as best they can before they have to leave. We'll see the results soon enough when Spirit departs.


I think that Homeplate is the most interesting site around, they should not depart so fast, and take the time to do what there is to do, without planning to come back one day (Spirit could stop working before). What is there to see in the hills that was not yet seen?





QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Feb 24 2006, 06:46 PM) *
Millions of years of guano! We've discovered an ancient giant martian bat nesting site!


Eeeek! No wonder if they don't publish!


Hey but... What happens if the bats ARE COMING BACK???
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- aldo12xu   Home Plate Summary   Feb 16 2006, 07:07 AM
- - Nix   Very pleasing to read, as always, thanks Aldo...   Feb 16 2006, 08:14 AM
- - Bill Harris   Thanks, Aldo for that summary. Correct and concis...   Feb 16 2006, 09:07 AM
- - jamescanvin   Agreed, nice work Aldo. Nice to read somthing sens...   Feb 16 2006, 09:22 AM
|- - ljk4-1   MARSDAILY - Roving The Red Planet http://www.spa...   Feb 16 2006, 02:27 PM
- - aldo12xu   Glad everyone found the info useful. And thanks f...   Feb 16 2006, 03:57 PM
- - SigurRosFan   Fantastic image! Nice to see my virtual rover...   Feb 16 2006, 04:24 PM
- - Zeke4ther   Truly outstanding! Sure keeps things clear fo...   Feb 16 2006, 04:42 PM
- - aldo12xu   Oops, sorry about that, Nico. I'll fix it ton...   Feb 16 2006, 04:51 PM
- - neb   QUOTE (aldo12xu @ Feb 16 2006, 12:07 AM) ...   Feb 16 2006, 06:56 PM
- - lyford   Thanks, Aldo, always a pleasure to see what you ha...   Feb 16 2006, 08:03 PM
- - vikingmars   As a tribute and congratulations to Aldo for his F...   Feb 18 2006, 12:44 PM
- - aldo12xu   Merci beaucoup, Olivier!! Great images, a...   Feb 18 2006, 05:20 PM
- - Nix   Very nice work Olivier. Agreed Aldo. Nico   Feb 18 2006, 05:52 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Very nice romantic color pictures from Mars with R...   Feb 19 2006, 04:24 AM
- - Pavel   Is there any information about composition of the ...   Feb 22 2006, 10:02 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 22 2006, 12:02 PM) Is ...   Feb 22 2006, 11:20 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 22 2006, 10:02 PM) My ...   Feb 23 2006, 08:47 AM
- - edstrick   Ok... contest: What's the silliest layered gu...   Feb 23 2006, 08:41 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 23 2006, 08:41 AM) ...   Feb 23 2006, 03:42 PM
|- - edstrick   ElkGroveDan': How about Chinese Onion Cakes? ...   Feb 24 2006, 08:31 AM
|- - stevo   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Feb 23 2006, 09:42 A...   Feb 24 2006, 03:06 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (stevo @ Feb 24 2006, 03:06 PM) I h...   Feb 24 2006, 05:59 PM
- - odave   ...and add to that the time factor: Spirit needs t...   Feb 23 2006, 02:58 PM
- - tdemko   Like just about everyone else, I'm waiting pat...   Feb 23 2006, 05:25 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE As a human field geologist, I've always ...   Feb 23 2006, 08:01 PM
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- - dvandorn   Perhaps the hydrothermal or volcanic vent theories...   Feb 24 2006, 05:14 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 24 2006, 12:14 AM) ...   Feb 24 2006, 03:56 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   I am very puzzled too they don't publish any r...   Feb 24 2006, 01:09 PM
|- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 24 2006, 07...   Feb 24 2006, 05:46 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Feb 24 200...   Feb 24 2006, 06:13 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 24 2006, 06...   Feb 24 2006, 06:18 PM
|- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 24 2006, 12...   Feb 24 2006, 11:17 PM
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|- - neb   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 24 2006, 08:38 PM) ...   Feb 25 2006, 03:54 AM
- - Bill Harris   Odd. Let's look a the L7 R1 images as a stereo...   Feb 24 2006, 01:49 PM
- - Nix   I'd even say make the visit as short as possib...   Feb 24 2006, 06:28 PM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (lyford @ Feb 24 2006, 08:35 PM) If...   Feb 24 2006, 10:12 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   My hypothesis as what homeplate would be evaporite...   Mar 3 2006, 11:34 AM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (paulanderson @ Mar 3 2006, 04:46 P...   Mar 3 2006, 08:06 PM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 3 2006, 09:06 PM) P...   Mar 3 2006, 09:59 PM
||- - paulanderson   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 3 2006, 12:06 PM) R...   Mar 3 2006, 10:23 PM
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- - CosmicRocker   Thanks especially for that last link, Paul. After...   Mar 3 2006, 06:52 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   That Homeplate would be volcanic is very likely. ...   Mar 3 2006, 10:20 PM
- - vikingmars   Well... (i) to please all the Forum contributors ...   Mar 4 2006, 03:50 PM
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|- - Zeke4ther   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Mar 4 2006, 10:50 AM)...   Mar 4 2006, 06:39 PM
- - Phil Stooke   The bomb sag images look very convincing... but pr...   Mar 4 2006, 06:11 PM
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- - Bill Harris   QUOTE ....and yes, it looks like the case for a ma...   Mar 7 2006, 01:52 AM
- - neb   Bill: I have reviewed the images you refer to but ...   Mar 7 2006, 04:48 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   I somewhat agree and somewhat disagree with neb. ...   Mar 7 2006, 07:56 AM
- - abalone   Could it be that these layers in the distance and ...   Mar 7 2006, 10:04 AM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 7 2006, 07:06 PM) Hmmm...   Mar 7 2006, 07:37 PM
||- - paulanderson   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 7 2006, 11:37 AM) Y...   Mar 7 2006, 07:58 PM
||- - Shaka   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 7 2006, 09:37 AM) Y...   Mar 7 2006, 08:30 PM
||- - odave   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 7 2006, 03:28 PM) How ...   Mar 7 2006, 08:36 PM
|||- - Shaka   QUOTE (odave @ Mar 7 2006, 10:36 AM) It a...   Mar 7 2006, 09:16 PM
|||- - djellison   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 7 2006, 09:16 PM) O.K....   Mar 7 2006, 09:29 PM
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||- - Zeke4ther   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 7 2006, 03:28 PM) Side...   Mar 7 2006, 09:01 PM
|- - imipak   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 7 2006, 07:06 PM) Hmmm...   Mar 7 2006, 08:33 PM
||- - tty   QUOTE (imipak @ Mar 7 2006, 09:33 PM) Sur...   Mar 7 2006, 08:54 PM
|||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (tty @ Mar 7 2006, 09:54 PM) If the...   Mar 7 2006, 09:23 PM
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||- - Shaka   QUOTE (paulanderson @ Mar 7 2006, 11:10 A...   Mar 7 2006, 09:26 PM
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|- - Shaka   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 7 2006, 12:0...   Mar 7 2006, 11:51 PM
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- - Shaka   Lecture 4 - Right on the money.   Mar 8 2006, 12:40 AM
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|- - Shaka   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Mar 7 2006, 06:41 PM) W...   Mar 8 2006, 07:16 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 7 2006, 01:06 PM) Hmmm...   Mar 8 2006, 04:43 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Mar 7 2006, 06:43 P...   Mar 8 2006, 07:48 AM
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