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Odyssey and MER Budgets Cut
Ryan
post Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
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Just found out today at a MER all-hands meeting that both MER and Odyssey will each be suffering an immediate $4 million budget cut to help defray the cost of MSL. Read more here: http://martianchronicles.wordpress.com/200...rs-budget-cuts/
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djellison
post Mar 26 2008, 06:33 PM
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Having done that - here's my thoughts.

Funding a Mars 'program' is , I think, not quite fair. The case in point is clear here. MSL has had budget issues. Now - to be fair, so did MER, but that's spent cash now. Why should the current budget growth of MSL reflect as a punishment on Odyssey and MER? I know 'life isn't fair' - but Odyssey and MER are big success stories, with more to come and the budget problems of another mission shouldn't impact that.

However, missions HAVE to be accountable. But, you can't exactly scrap a $1B mission when I'd imagine most (more than half I'd guess) of the cash is already spent. But neither can it spend without implications. And I just don't think it's fair to steal from the pockets of other missions currently flying. The only way I can see it really working is if there is an overrun- you then have to look at future missions, and rescope / descope / delay / cancel them. To look sideways and cull from current missions just doesn't seem right, and nor is it fair to clump together multiple missions ( i.e. Mars program, discovery program ) and punish others from that 'clump' for the errors on a different mission. Funding for extensions is hard. I've spoken to David Southwood in person about the struggle to fund new missions at ESA when MEX, VEX, XMM-Newton, integral, Cluster etc etc are all needing extended mission funds. And while new is always good, it's also criminal to cull an active, scientifically productive mission where all the risk is just about sunk and you KNOW what your extra money will get.

As for the argument of how much to spend on certain fields of interest - I think there's a certain level of bigger picture to be had there. Currently we can do 30cm/pixel, 4 Mbits orbiters at Mars, and (hopefully) 20km+ rovers with movie cameras and amazing laboratories. Part of me thinks that actually, whilst it's always true to say that the technology will be better tomorrow (like buying a new laptop for example) - targets such as Neptune and Uranus could do with a decade or two further development so that when we return there, we do so knowing it'll probably be the only trip for half a century, and it better be damn good as a result.

But whilst it would be nice to have a 'scheme' on how to fund, who to fund and when - such a system is basically the net result of scientific taste. Who's to say that the scientific calling of one body get's an 'A' over another body getting a 'B'. Guess what, the scientists with an interest in each will say each is the most important. And how much does our technically ability to investigate those sites play a role. I prefer TE over the other flagship missions. Why? Because I like Titan. That's just about it. Does it offer better science than the others? No. It's different science - and I don't think it's even possible to say what better is. It probably offers MORE science though. But then, we don't KNOW what the science if going to be. So, do we do the easiest mission? No - because half (imho) the benefit of these missions is the engineering progress they make - and a mission should be considered good for having engineering challenges that are good challenges, but manageable challenges (MPF for example).

Trying to manage all that, well, it'd be enough to make you quit your job.

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- Ryan   Odyssey and MER Budgets Cut   Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
- - brellis   Sorry to hear about it. There was at one point a ...   Mar 24 2008, 09:57 PM
- - djellison   I'm writing emails to people to see what, if a...   Mar 24 2008, 11:07 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 24 2008, 03:07 PM)...   Mar 25 2008, 02:39 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 04:18 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 04:20 AM
||- - edstrick   "... Magellan obviously could have provided S...   Mar 25 2008, 06:25 AM
|- - slinted   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 05:11 AM
- - nprev   I'm sure Emily's aware; hopefully, TPS wil...   Mar 24 2008, 11:28 PM
- - Stu   Just got in from work to find this news. Unbelieva...   Mar 24 2008, 11:52 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 24 2008, 03:52 PM) Obvio...   Mar 25 2008, 12:16 AM
- - djellison   Yup - I'd ask people to hang tight from the ra...   Mar 24 2008, 11:57 PM
- - nprev   Agreed. There are a lot of systemic factors to con...   Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM
|- - brellis   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 05:59 PM) I...   Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM
||- - Stu   QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM) h...   Mar 25 2008, 08:25 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM) apo...   Mar 25 2008, 01:27 AM
- - nprev   Thanks for the words of encouragement, O Poet Laur...   Mar 25 2008, 01:46 AM
|- - brellis   A while back I wondered if due to budget constrain...   Mar 25 2008, 02:15 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 24 2008, 07:15 PM) H...   Mar 25 2008, 02:25 AM
|- - laurele   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 10:25 PM) Tru...   Mar 25 2008, 04:12 AM
- - merman   Hi all, It is important for everyone to realize t...   Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (merman @ Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM) St...   Mar 25 2008, 08:32 AM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 25 2008, 12:32 AM) Quest...   Mar 25 2008, 03:09 PM
- - Astro0   This has hit the wider media already... http://sci...   Mar 25 2008, 02:44 AM
- - Aussie   I am not sure that outrage is warranted. My under...   Mar 25 2008, 03:02 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Well, I wrote my congressman, BUT it already looks...   Mar 25 2008, 03:40 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 24 2008, 07:4...   Mar 25 2008, 03:48 AM
- - mchan   Click on Astro's link to CNN above.   Mar 25 2008, 04:00 AM
- - nprev   Ah...thanks, mchan. "Mixed signals"...y...   Mar 25 2008, 04:06 AM
- - mcaplinger   I would argue that Odyssey is far more likely to y...   Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 08:51 AM
||- - tedstryk   The seemingly odd NASA response about not being w...   Mar 25 2008, 09:50 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 10:05 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 12:26 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 04:26 AM) Mor...   Mar 25 2008, 05:11 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 09:11 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 05:39 PM
- - elakdawalla   Here's a question I don't know the answer ...   Mar 25 2008, 05:14 AM
|- - JRehling   In what is serendipitous timing, a piece on Odysse...   Mar 25 2008, 05:49 AM
|- - edstrick   "...Spirit's not a real "weather sta...   Mar 25 2008, 06:31 AM
||- - ustrax   So one goes out for the Easter and when one return...   Mar 25 2008, 11:36 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 24 2008, 09:14 P...   Mar 25 2008, 04:15 PM
- - PhilCo126   Indeed lots of media intrest: NASA budget cut thre...   Mar 25 2008, 11:58 AM
- - Adam   http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_...5kyVt...   Mar 25 2008, 12:22 PM
- - climber   I'd thought that Nasa (or whoever it is) would...   Mar 25 2008, 01:49 PM
|- - ustrax   Guys, just got the info that it seems like the sit...   Mar 25 2008, 02:04 PM
- - elakdawalla   "in this discussion," Mike, "in thi...   Mar 25 2008, 05:02 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 25 2008, 09:02 A...   Mar 25 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - Of counsel   Breaking news? NASA: Mars rovers won't be cut...   Mar 25 2008, 05:44 PM
||- - PaulM   I read an interview with Steve Squyres (it might h...   Mar 25 2008, 06:18 PM
||- - JRehling   Phoenix will eventually be encased with seasonal p...   Mar 25 2008, 06:23 PM
|- - brellis   Edit: just read your link, Phil - what a relief...   Mar 25 2008, 07:02 PM
- - bmerrow   The directive was rescinded an hour ago - there wi...   Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM
|- - imipak   QUOTE (bmerrow @ Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM) T...   Mar 25 2008, 06:11 PM
|- - JRehling   If you go to Google news and search for "Mars...   Mar 25 2008, 06:12 PM
- - PhilCo126   http://www.physorg.com/news125666692.html   Mar 25 2008, 06:44 PM
- - Astro0   This reprieve is good news, but let's keep a v...   Mar 26 2008, 01:05 AM
|- - merman   Thank you, everyone, for your support and help wit...   Mar 26 2008, 02:22 PM
- - vjkane   The money restored to MER and Odyssey will have to...   Mar 26 2008, 02:26 AM
|- - MahFL   Good news. Always a stupid idea turning off workin...   Mar 26 2008, 12:14 PM
|- - tedstryk   As was pointed out earlier, the kind of money we a...   Mar 26 2008, 01:04 PM
- - Stu   Not wanting to kick a gift horse in the mouth and ...   Mar 26 2008, 01:18 PM
|- - tedstryk   Like I have said, at the LPSC, there was a great t...   Mar 26 2008, 01:44 PM
- - elakdawalla   My understanding from some Odyssey folks is that t...   Mar 26 2008, 03:45 PM
- - Mariner9   I agree that the debates have barely begun. Th...   Mar 26 2008, 06:04 PM
- - djellison   I've moved two posts that are about a broader ...   Mar 26 2008, 06:11 PM
- - djellison   Having done that - here's my thoughts. Fundin...   Mar 26 2008, 06:33 PM
|- - JRehling   The problem with a scarcity of resources is that i...   Mar 28 2008, 09:07 PM
- - blairf   Following the resource allocation question to a na...   Mar 26 2008, 08:17 PM
- - vjkane   I am deeply, deeply saddened by Alan's departu...   Mar 26 2008, 09:07 PM
- - Mariner9   But there is a decadal study in the planetary worl...   Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM) ...   Mar 26 2008, 11:21 PM
- - djellison   Good words at NW "While I have not agreed wi...   Mar 28 2008, 08:04 PM
- - gpurcell   Unfortunately, there is no real solution to the bu...   Mar 28 2008, 10:12 PM
- - vjkane   The process for prioritizing planetary missions re...   Mar 28 2008, 11:19 PM
- - Stu   Good news, I think...   Jun 13 2008, 10:29 PM
- - jmjawors   That's GREAT news! Of course, it'll s...   Jun 13 2008, 10:37 PM
- - mike   Personally I think both Titan and Europa are inter...   Jun 15 2008, 09:32 PM


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