Nature of Victoria's dark streaks, swept clean, deposited, or other? |
Nature of Victoria's dark streaks, swept clean, deposited, or other? |
Jun 12 2007, 04:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
ngunn: How about two anaglyphs? On the left is the L7R1 pair, and on the right are L2R2.
Gray: I would have cut off an arm or a leg and burnt it as an offering at Mount Ithaca if I thought it would have gotten us an MI from sols 1198-1199. That little field of ripples that Opportunity crossed there is very visible on Tesheiner's HiRise route map. -------------------- ...Tom
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Jun 12 2007, 12:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
How about two anaglyphs? On the left is the L7R1 pair, and on the right are L2R2. Thanks, and very interesting they are too. I notice the 'impossible' shadow on the sunward side of the ripple only appears on one of the two. Can you explain what this means in beginner's language? At the risk of sounding like Oliver Twist - perhaps colour would help? |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
You must be looking at it differently than I am. To me, the shadow appears to be on the right side of the ripple crest, which is the side facing away from the sun. I don't really know why it appears more prominently in the L2R2 anaglyph, except to say that the two pairs were imaged at two very different wavelengths.
-------------------- ...Tom
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Jun 12 2007, 03:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
To me, the shadow appears to be on the right side of the ripple crest, which is the side facing away from the sun. Well it looks to me as if individual 'berries' in that image are all illuminated from the right and slightly above, whereas the ripple 'looks' as if it is illuminated from the left. Where am I going wrong? |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:54 PM
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The sun is almost directly behind the camera. You can tell because the camera mast shadow is in the image. That means that the side of the ripple facing the camera is also the side facing the sun. The berry shadows do have a slight offset in the opposite direction. If the image was centered on the camera mast shadow, you would see all of the berries would have their shadows offset toward the center of the frame (towards the shadow of the camera).
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Jun 12 2007, 05:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 242 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 34 |
What a difference the anaglyphs make. Now I can see that the larger grains are in the low areas and the finer ones are on the ripple crest - makes sense. Thanks for preparing it Cosmic.
I'm not sure about sacrificing an arm and a leg. If you did we might have to turn you into a MER-like robot. |
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Jun 12 2007, 08:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
The sun is almost directly behind the camera. Thanks for that E.S. After reading your post and a bit of head scratching I now see how this counterintuitive effect comes about. However even when I understand it it still looks peculiar, at least to me. You regular scrutinisers of Martian surface details probably think I'm barmy. A strategic retreat to the outer solar system is in order, I think . . . |
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Jun 13 2007, 04:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
... I'm not sure about sacrificing an arm and a leg. If you did we might have to turn you into a MER-like robot. NOW, you tell me. ... ...probably think I'm barmy. ... I won't. My brain has inverted the topography many times on orbiter images and MIs. I'd hate to tell you what I thought I had discovered on a couple of occasions.
-------------------- ...Tom
I'm not a Space Fan, I'm a Space Exploration Enthusiast. |
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Jun 13 2007, 02:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Yeah, Tom, I hear you -- like the time I thought I had discovered shoulder-to-shoulder tiny craters in one of Spirit's first MIs of the soil at Gusev. I had to whack myself in the head (nearly literally) to see that they were actually tiny pebbles, not craters...
-the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jun 29 2008, 09:46 PM
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Publications of Opportunity's study of Victoria's wind streaks:
From the abstract the full paper: "Opportunity's observations suggest that the Victoria wind streaks are deposits of basaltic sand blown out of the crater from the dark dunes nestled below the crater rim, particularly at the base of the alcove leading up to the darkest streak. Geissler, P.E.; Johnson, J.R.; Sullivan, R.; Herkenhoff, K.; Mittlefehldt, D; Fergason, R.; Ming, D.; Morris, R.; Squyres, S.; Soderblom, L.; Golombek, M. Journal of Geophysical Research, artilcle in press (2008). "First In-situ Investigation of a Dark Wind Streak on Mars." (pay-for article, abstract not yet available) and the LPSC abstract: Geissler, P.E.; Johnson, J.R.; Sullivan, R.; Herkenhoff, K.; Mittlefehldt, D; Fergason, R.; Ming, D.; Morris, R.; Squyres, S.; Soderblom, L.; Golombek, M. LPSC 39 (2008) Abstract 2286. "First In-situ Investigation of a Dark Wind Streak on Mars." (freely available here) The full paper gives an overwhelming amount of evidence to support their conclusions, including:
The basaltic sands coming from Victoria are thought to have been trapped there from the surrounding plains. It is the swirling of these sands that may cause the erosion that creates the scalloped rim of Victoria. -Mike -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Jun 30 2008, 02:22 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1229 Joined: 24-December 05 From: The blue one in between the yellow and red ones. Member No.: 618 |
I can't wait to read this one. Until I do, I'm still a "clean streaker".
-------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Jun 30 2008, 04:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
I was a clean-streaker, too. The full paper sounds like a must-read to me, but it's one I'll need to go to the library to access. Thanks for pointing it out, Mike.
I read the LPSC abstract several times last March, and came away less than convinced each time. The swirling sand erosion hypothesis is interesting, if it can explain the scallops all around this type of crater. -------------------- ...Tom
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Jun 30 2008, 09:44 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 11-December 07 From: Dar es Salaam, Tanzania Member No.: 3978 |
The swirling sand erosion hypothesis is interesting, if it can explain the scallops all around this type of crater. Exactly, I was thinking the same thing. -------------------- |
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