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paxdan
post Sep 15 2005, 06:53 PM
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I'm sure many of you will be familar with the CubeSat project, in fact some of you may well have worked on one. wink.gif

So lets hear it, what would you do with a 10x10x10cm 1kg payload in a CubeSat, beside the obvious like stick a camera in it and photograph your house.

Who knows, perhaps one day we may see the launch of the USF CubeSat tongue.gif
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post Sep 15 2005, 10:19 PM
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I would like to have a cubesat whose goal is to return continuous brightness measurements for one of the known transiting extrasolar planet stars. There are I think 8 of these at current count, all of which have one known planet transiting at a period of a few days. The science return potential is good, giving a continuous data stream on something the pro telescopes only look at very occasionally. Maybe it would even catch something great, like small variations in the transit timing indicating more bodies in the system. And even if the cubesat dies within a week, still that gives a couple of transit curves so some good results.

So how to design such a thing? You need a ccd behind whatever telescope you can fit (a camera lens, probably). (TrES-1, for instance, has a magnitude 11 star, and the transit was discovered by a telescope with a 10cm primary...) You need enough computer to read the ccd, pick out the right star, and transmit the measured brightness. You need enough antenna to broadcast the result back to earth and to listen for a kill signal from the ground. You need some power source, maybe a small solar panel. And, perhaps most challenging, you need some way to get the thing pointed in the right direction and keep it there.

I'm picturing two ipods running linux, one at a side and one at the back of the box. Pointing would be accomplished by spinning up or spinning down the hard drives, with a goal of getting the satellite spinning with the spin axis pointed at the star. Automated pointing would be done by star tracking in the ccd image. Attach a tape-measure antenna and put solar cells on the sides.

Does that sound plausable?
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post Sep 15 2005, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (tfisher @ Sep 15 2005, 11:19 PM)
I would like to have a cubesat whose goal is to return continuous brightness measurements for one of the known transiting extrasolar planet stars.  There are I think 8 of these at current count, all of which have one known planet transiting at a period of a few days.  The science return potential is good, giving a continuous data stream on something the pro telescopes only look at very occasionally.  Maybe it would even catch something great, like small variations in the transit timing indicating more bodies in the system.  And even if the cubesat dies within a week, still that gives a couple of transit curves so some good results.

So how to design such a thing?  You need a ccd behind whatever telescope you can fit (a camera lens, probably).  (TrES-1, for instance, has a magnitude 11 star, and the transit was discovered by a telescope with a 10cm primary...) You need enough computer to read the ccd, pick out the right star, and transmit the measured brightness.  You need enough antenna to broadcast the result back to earth and to listen for a kill signal from the ground.  You need some power source, maybe a small solar panel.  And, perhaps most challenging, you need some way to get the thing pointed in the right direction and keep it there.

I'm picturing two ipods running linux, one at a side and one at the back of the box.  Pointing would be accomplished by spinning up or spinning down the hard drives, with a goal of getting the satellite spinning with the spin axis pointed at the star.  Automated pointing would be done by star tracking in the ccd image.  Attach a tape-measure antenna and put solar cells on the sides. 

Does that sound plausable?
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I think the attitude control via HDU technology is very interesting indeed - if you've ever tried to move a spinning HDU then you'll find quite surprising force is needed (depending on the way you want to turn it). Of course, you'd still need a way to dump the rotational energy (if I can put it that way) from time to time. Electromagnetic torque devices powered by solar panels, with stellar observations taking place only on night-side passes, perhaps?


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post Sep 16 2005, 11:39 AM
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I had a look at the Damien Peach site, his work is stunning and represents just how far amateur ground based observation has come. now, i guess the thing to do would be to work out if it is possible to beat the resolution witha smaller scope in space. With a bit of ingineuty i'm sure you could design a extendible scope that would fit in a 10x10x10 cube which would produce results comparible to his work if not better.....
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post Sep 16 2005, 01:26 PM
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Here's a notional 'AstroCube2' dual cubesat astronomy satellite, using HDU-based gyro stabilisation, magnetic torque de-spin, and with an 8cm or thereabouts telescope. Note the absolute lack of extending or moving parts other than the HDUs. Some form of 'Reactolite' or similar coating on a window over the telescope aperture would protect the interior from direct sunshine, and the exterior surface would be covered in solar cells. Differential GPS might be a valuable add-on. I don't imagine you'd do any imaging with this class of equipment, but light-curves or spectra would be practical goals.

So, how are we gonna build it?

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- paxdan   Cubesat 10x10x10cm 1kg Payload   Sep 15 2005, 06:53 PM
- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (paxdan @ Sep 15 2005, 07:53 PM)I'm...   Sep 15 2005, 08:27 PM
- - djellison   Oh I LOVE cubesats...I have dozens of PDF's a...   Sep 15 2005, 08:40 PM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 15 2005, 09:40 PM)Actu...   Sep 15 2005, 09:25 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Here's an illustration of BOBSAT as promised. ...   Sep 15 2005, 09:48 PM
- - djellison   You'd struggle to justify putting a tiny tiny ...   Sep 15 2005, 10:02 PM
- - tfisher   I would like to have a cubesat whose goal is to re...   Sep 15 2005, 10:19 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (tfisher @ Sep 15 2005, 11:19 PM)I woul...   Sep 15 2005, 10:34 PM
|- - paxdan   I had a look at the Damien Peach site, his work is...   Sep 16 2005, 11:39 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Here's a notional 'AstroCube2' dual cu...   Sep 16 2005, 01:26 PM
- - djellison   Looking at a typical cubesat, that double cubesat ...   Sep 16 2005, 01:29 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 16 2005, 02:29 PM)Look...   Sep 16 2005, 01:33 PM
- - djellison   Need a lot of power and a high pressure Xenon tank...   Sep 16 2005, 01:54 PM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 16 2005, 02:54 PM)Need...   Sep 16 2005, 03:38 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (paxdan @ Sep 16 2005, 04:38 PM)the pow...   Sep 16 2005, 03:49 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Did I mention that an old friend of mine is sellin...   Sep 16 2005, 03:54 PM
|- - ljk4-1   DIY satellites reinvent the space race New York T...   Sep 16 2005, 04:41 PM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 16 2005, 04:54 PM)Did I...   Sep 16 2005, 05:03 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (paxdan @ Sep 16 2005, 06:03 PM)Well le...   Sep 16 2005, 10:26 PM
- - djellison   Oh - extandorama - I've seen designs that incl...   Sep 16 2005, 03:48 PM
- - um3k   My idea is of a 9cm apochromatic objective, 36cm* ...   Sep 16 2005, 10:50 PM
- - djellison   Within the 'scope' as it were of a cubesat...   Sep 17 2005, 10:27 AM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 17 2005, 11:27 AM)I th...   Sep 17 2005, 11:18 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   I've just had a flash of inspiration. It doesn...   Sep 17 2005, 12:24 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (paxdan @ Sep 17 2005, 12:18 PM)You are...   Sep 17 2005, 01:05 PM
- - um3k   How about a solar telescope? If a little car that ...   Sep 17 2005, 05:17 PM
- - djellison   Having it intelligent enough to know which way to ...   Sep 17 2005, 06:21 PM
|- - um3k   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 17 2005, 02:21 PM)Havi...   Sep 17 2005, 07:05 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (um3k @ Sep 17 2005, 08:05 PM)For the s...   Sep 17 2005, 08:48 PM
|- - hendric   Don't hard drives require air to levititate th...   Sep 18 2005, 07:27 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (hendric @ Sep 18 2005, 08:27 AM)Don...   Sep 18 2005, 11:35 AM
||- - Bob Shaw   As promised, here's an illustration of a manua...   Sep 18 2005, 05:44 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Let's go one step smaller - how about nanoprob...   Sep 19 2005, 02:42 PM
- - djellison   Cameras on Cubesat - interesting .doc http://ncube...   Sep 19 2005, 12:53 PM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 19 2005, 01:53 PM)Came...   Sep 19 2005, 02:41 PM
- - djellison   I got all excited and started to build a card mode...   Sep 21 2005, 03:35 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 21 2005, 04:35 PM)I go...   Sep 21 2005, 03:45 PM
- - djellison   I think I'll finish mine tonight...I'm che...   Sep 21 2005, 03:48 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 21 2005, 04:48 PM)I th...   Sep 21 2005, 06:53 PM
- - djellison   You've got a laminator - that's cheating ...   Sep 21 2005, 07:12 PM
- - djellison   Damnit - if I'd have thought of this first htt...   Sep 21 2005, 07:16 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Here's a Space.Com article on the SSETI studen...   Sep 25 2005, 12:51 PM
- - Myran   They have proposed a Cubesat Moon lander also, 1 k...   Sep 25 2005, 07:32 PM
- - djellison   Took the cad file from the cubsatkit website and r...   Sep 26 2005, 11:33 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 26 2005, 12:33 PM)Took...   Sep 26 2005, 11:47 AM
- - djellison   Is Balsa space certified? Doug   Sep 26 2005, 01:11 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 26 2005, 02:11 PM)Is B...   Sep 26 2005, 03:37 PM
- - paxdan   NewScientist article about CubeSats   Oct 9 2005, 02:49 PM
- - Rakhir   SSETI Express launched. http://www.esa.int/esaCP/...   Oct 27 2005, 08:04 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Rakhir @ Oct 27 2005, 08:04 AM)SSETI E...   Oct 27 2005, 08:55 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 27 2005, 03:55 AM)And ...   Oct 27 2005, 12:56 PM
|- - Rakhir   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 27 2005, 02:56 PM)Wh...   Oct 27 2005, 01:30 PM
- - djellison   As I understand it - XI-V is one of the developmen...   Oct 27 2005, 01:40 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 27 2005, 08:40 AM)As I...   Oct 27 2005, 01:58 PM
- - djellison   http://www.space.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cubesat/index-e.h...   Oct 27 2005, 03:00 PM
- - Rakhir   SSETI Express in safe mode due to an undervoltage ...   Oct 28 2005, 03:14 PM
- - djellison   2 for 3 on cubes isnt bad actually - given that th...   Oct 28 2005, 03:19 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   More coverage: http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewp...   Oct 28 2005, 10:20 PM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Andrew Kalman @ Sep 12 2006, 05:11...   Sep 14 2006, 11:01 PM
|- - Andrew Kalman   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 14 2006, 11:01 PM...   Sep 20 2006, 06:00 PM
- - Ant103   Incredible, amazing, astounding!!! I ...   Sep 14 2006, 09:35 PM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (helvick @ Dec 28 2006, 07:37 PM) A...   Dec 28 2006, 11:30 PM
- - djellison   I think they're a fantastic development. I do...   Sep 14 2006, 10:29 PM
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|- - Andrew Kalman   QUOTE (Andrew Kalman @ Sep 20 2006, 05:54...   Dec 5 2006, 10:27 PM
- - Ant103   Not very serious posting…   Sep 15 2006, 04:55 PM
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