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pumpkinpie
post Feb 5 2013, 04:59 PM
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Does there exist a list of all the evidence of water on Mars, listed by spacecraft?

Ideally, it would be a list with a short description and a link to a story or news release. For example:

Mars Global Surveyor: NASA Images Suggest Water Still Flows in Brief Spurts on Mars http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/new...s-20061206.html
Phoenix: NASA Spacecraft Confirms Martian Water, Mission Extended http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/...x-20080731.html
Opportunity: NASA Mars Rover Finds Mineral Vein Deposited by Water http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/news/mer20111207.html

I know I could spend some time and extend the list that I've started above, but if someone or some organization has already done it I'd hate to reinvent the wheel!

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post Sep 29 2015, 03:15 PM
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It seems to me that the confirmation of liquid water mostly impacts landing site selection for future missions, in that the planetary protection protocols specifically prohibit any landings near liquid water with any lander at a sterilization level less stringent than that defined for the Viking landers (i.e., less than 30 spores per vehicle). Otherwise very attractive sites may end up on the verboten list if there are close-by RSL's.

Any idea if this might affect the landing site selection for the 2020 rover? Especially considering the fact that the 2020 rover will be caching samples for potential return -- if you land near RSL's, you have to postulate not only sterilizing the rover to the Viking standards, but also whatever follow-on vehicle collects the samples and returns them to Martian orbit...

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post Sep 29 2015, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 29 2015, 08:15 AM) *
Any idea if this might affect the landing site selection for the 2020 rover?


I would suspect not. The two kinds of environments seem probably distinct, although I recall Spirit finding that "magic carpet" surface and wonder if it was actually on top of some briny liquid or slush.

The elephant in the room is that there are two distinct exploration pathways – Past Water vs. Current Water – and surface missions typical of ones we've seen that pursue one pathway aren't pursuing the other, so there needs to be some strategy. If only one of these pathways existed, we'd be pursuing it. Given that two pathways exist, do we "finish" one before starting the other, interleave them with separate mission architectures, or find a way to combine them?

One possibility for combining them would be to have a single craft for Mars-orbit-to-Earth sample return, and have sample returns from both kinds of environment travel from Mars surface up to that return craft. With craft weighing many tens of kg and samples weighing and 10 g, that would provide a lot of savings if we acknowledge that both kinds of sample return are desirable. Further savings would be achieved in sharing clean ground facilities on Earth for examining samples.
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- pumpkinpie   List of evidence for water on Mars   Feb 5 2013, 04:59 PM
- - elakdawalla   It would be a long list. Don't look for press ...   Feb 5 2013, 05:09 PM
- - pumpkinpie   Thanks for the reply! I think I should have ...   Feb 5 2013, 06:10 PM
|- - JRehling   There are a few different parts of the answer, bro...   Feb 6 2013, 06:15 PM
|- - pumpkinpie   Simple, but very helpful! Thanks!   Feb 6 2013, 07:57 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 6 2013, 11:15 AM) T...   Feb 6 2013, 08:01 PM
|- - mwolff   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 6 2013, 02:01 PM)...   Feb 8 2013, 03:36 PM
|- - JRehling   On a meta-level, I recall that Earth-based spectro...   Feb 8 2013, 07:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 8 2013, 12:56 PM) ....   Feb 8 2013, 08:35 PM
|- - mwolff   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 8 2013, 01:56 PM) O...   Feb 10 2013, 03:28 PM
|- - JRehling   Speaking just to the spectroscopic detection of H2...   Feb 12 2013, 12:17 AM
- - elakdawalla   This sounds like a pitch for a magazine article. I...   Feb 5 2013, 06:36 PM
- - nprev   IIRC, they did the same around the same time for t...   Feb 6 2013, 10:58 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   ADMIN HAT ON Let's be clear here everyone bef...   Feb 10 2013, 05:01 PM
- - belleraphon1   There was a conference earlier this month at UCLA ...   Feb 28 2013, 11:55 AM
- - marsbug   Pardon the thread necromancy, but this seems like ...   Jul 3 2014, 11:12 PM
- - serpens   Not even mildly damp. With 1 to 2% of perchlorate...   Jul 4 2014, 07:52 AM
- - marsbug   There's certainly nothing to forgive, I think ...   Jul 4 2014, 04:19 PM
- - TheAnt   Studies done at Niels Bohr institute in Copenhagen...   Apr 9 2015, 11:43 AM
- - marsbug   This makes me wonder: If ice, at a lattitude and a...   Apr 9 2015, 04:21 PM
|- - TheAnt   On Earth you will often find water under a glacier...   Apr 10 2015, 09:09 AM
- - serpens   A glacier is by definition dynamic. So are they c...   Apr 12 2015, 12:41 AM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (serpens @ Apr 12 2015, 02:41 AM) I...   Apr 17 2015, 10:36 AM
|- - katodomo   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Apr 17 2015, 12:36 PM) Gl...   Apr 17 2015, 07:08 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   "Transient liquid water and water activity at...   Apr 13 2015, 07:26 PM
|- - katodomo   EGU 2015 Press Conference 5: "Water Signature...   Apr 14 2015, 01:32 PM
- - scalbers   Will Monday's announcement be about further wa...   Sep 26 2015, 06:10 PM
|- - dolphin   Rumor suggests a discovery of flowing water. I wou...   Sep 27 2015, 06:03 AM
- - nprev   If that has any validity it would probably be a re...   Sep 27 2015, 06:39 AM
|- - dolphin   QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 27 2015, 06:39 AM) If ...   Sep 27 2015, 08:16 AM
- - drz1111   Just like the Atacama. Cool that it happens at th...   Sep 28 2015, 03:15 PM
- - dudley   Clear evidence of liquid water on Mars' surfac...   Sep 28 2015, 05:38 PM
- - scalbers   The lowered melting point in the presence of perch...   Sep 28 2015, 06:00 PM
|- - JRehling   Some rather acrobatic surface missions that we mig...   Sep 28 2015, 06:12 PM
|- - Gsnorgathon   A loooong time ago I saw an item somewhere on the ...   Sep 28 2015, 06:48 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Sep 28 2015, 01:48 P...   Sep 28 2015, 08:50 PM
- - dudley   There seems to be a good deal of concern that visi...   Sep 28 2015, 07:19 PM
- - marsophile   In this morning's press conference on Recurren...   Sep 28 2015, 07:39 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE Ojha first noticed these puzzling features a...   Sep 28 2015, 08:06 PM
- - Steve G   Will someone please correct me if I am wrong. Eit...   Sep 28 2015, 08:17 PM
- - elakdawalla   MGS found slope streaks; recurring slope lineae ar...   Sep 28 2015, 08:18 PM
- - gpurcell   Seems to me a reasonably priced approach could be ...   Sep 28 2015, 09:31 PM
- - atomoid   I was also confused about the RSL vs 'slope st...   Sep 28 2015, 10:19 PM
- - dolphin   Am I missing something? Why would briny perchlorat...   Sep 28 2015, 10:22 PM
- - brellis   One of the blurbs alluded to the possibility of an...   Sep 28 2015, 10:36 PM
|- - JRehling   My sense is: The subsurface ice layer (as seen un...   Sep 28 2015, 11:43 PM
- - serpens   I have to admit to being a touch underwhelmed by t...   Sep 29 2015, 02:45 AM
- - pac56   I think the news is they did spectral analysis of ...   Sep 29 2015, 06:17 AM
- - marsbug   I'd point towards Emily's blog as well. WR...   Sep 29 2015, 08:59 AM
- - dvandorn   It seems to me that the confirmation of liquid wat...   Sep 29 2015, 03:15 PM
|- - surbiton   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 29 2015, 04:15 PM) ...   Sep 29 2015, 04:11 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 29 2015, 08:15 AM) ...   Sep 29 2015, 04:36 PM
- - marsophile   http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2327...   Sep 30 2015, 02:51 AM
- - Explorer1   The fact that these features are spread out over s...   Sep 30 2015, 03:50 AM
|- - JRehling   I think there are lots of ways to study/sample the...   Sep 30 2015, 05:00 PM
- - serpens   JRehling's post #47 proposing the water source...   Oct 1 2015, 04:45 AM
- - Explorer1   'Fluidizing agent found on Mars' doesn...   Oct 1 2015, 04:51 AM
- - serpens   This makes for rather interesting reading. http...   May 20 2016, 08:14 AM
- - marsbug   The question marks around the RSL's are growin...   Aug 24 2016, 11:38 AM
- - serpens   Well Spirit at Tyrone demonstrated that a thin lay...   Aug 27 2016, 03:14 AM
- - Julius   A study published discussing inverted river channe...   Aug 29 2016, 08:12 PM
- - serpens   The linked Planetary Society blog article provides...   May 9 2019, 12:48 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (serpens @ May 9 2019, 01:48 AM) Th...   Jun 19 2019, 05:05 PM
- - marsbug   I don't know if this has been mentioned before...   Feb 21 2020, 05:56 PM
|- - serpens   Here is the complete abstract from the LPSC 2020 M...   Feb 24 2020, 06:35 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (marsbug @ Feb 21 2020, 05:56 PM) I...   Feb 24 2020, 02:17 PM
- - atomoid   You're right we don't hear much on this an...   Feb 25 2020, 09:49 PM
- - marsbug   Just generally, from my physics background, layman...   Feb 27 2020, 02:11 PM
- - Marz   I'm sharing this LPSC abstract because it is q...   Mar 16 2021, 11:26 PM
- - marsbug   My apologies for the thread necromancy, but it see...   Apr 29 2023, 01:13 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (marsbug @ Apr 29 2023, 02:13 AM) M...   Apr 30 2023, 04:21 PM
- - serpens   This is in accord with modeled changes in the obli...   May 3 2023, 12:39 PM
- - titanicrivers   Not sure if this is the best topic for this post o...   Mar 21 2024, 06:14 PM


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