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tedstryk
post Feb 12 2005, 05:37 PM
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This is a little pan I put together from the last "end-of-day" image Pathfinder returned of Sojourner on Sol 80. Sol 81 would be the last day for which Sojourner would return images. Sol 76 saw the last data return form the forward looking cameras. The color data was stolen from other sols. Sol 83 would be the last day any data would be returned, and Sol 92 would be the last day any contact would be made. The remaining images on Sols 81-83 were of the windsocks.
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post Dec 16 2014, 08:38 AM
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post Dec 16 2014, 10:37 AM
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Alex_k, most of what I see on that image is just small scale noise generated by processing.

You are processing the image at a higher resolution than the original.
So any "details" that become apparent but are below the original pixel size are just noise.
I'd recommend using a low pass filter on the end result to remove them.

Anyway, you can more or less trace the petal outlines by small changes on the noise pattern.
Makes sense because even if covered in dust, they are still smother that the surrounding soil.


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post Dec 16 2014, 11:33 AM
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Alex_k, most of what I see on that image is just small scale noise generated by processing.

Details of the lander become distinguishable, don't they?
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You are processing the image at a higher resolution than the original.
So any "details" that become apparent but are below the original pixel size are just noise.

Actually not a correct conclusion. Because neighbour pixels can also contain information, especially if a camera had a little disfocus. So it's possible to extract information from them - to acceptably approximate the "pixeled" image.
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I'd recommend using a low pass filter on the end result to remove them.

If to use a low-pass filter before processing we'll lose details.
You're right that there're some artifacts in the resulted image. They can be avoided by using a low-pass filter after processing.

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Yes, low pass at the end, after all filters.

On this case, the best option would be contour filters and rainbow / spectrum palettes instead of grayscale.
Those bring out structure and small contrast variations without changing the original values.

Exaggerated filtering will give you false details due to pixel value rounding errors that then get amplified over and over.

This is small example. The word "detail" printed on a small font size.
Right top is 3x resample. The "t" starts to show a false curved appearance, but in general, resolution seem to improve.
But heavy filtering (right bottom) gets you ringing artefacts and just false details (for example, a thin line connecting the "a" to the dot on the "i" as appeared.).
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Exaggerated filtering will give you false details due to pixel value rounding errors that then get amplified over and over.

Of couse in general you are right. But it depends on the source image and filters to be appllied. "Over and over" without limitations will get pure noise. smile.gif
Another question is about information in subpixels - can it be extracted and how.

upd: for testing the method I found appropriate pair of of images, low-res for processing and hi-res for comparing: http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/20.../Boulder_Cheops
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You can estimate whether the details false or not.
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- tedstryk   Pathfinder Sol 80   Feb 12 2005, 05:37 PM
- - tedstryk   Here is a mosaic of the last views from Sojourner,...   Feb 12 2005, 05:47 PM
- - RichforMars   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Feb 12 2005, 06:37 PM) ...   Jun 22 2014, 11:13 PM
- - mcgyver   I found an interesting, but quite impossible, proj...   Oct 22 2014, 09:59 AM
- - elakdawalla   Since those 3D models are made from views from the...   Oct 22 2014, 04:45 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Oct 22 2014, 04:45 P...   Oct 22 2014, 06:29 PM
- - djellison   This is data I've looked at myself - ( from h...   Oct 22 2014, 07:14 PM
- - sittingduck   If anybody needs it, some time ago I created a mod...   Oct 23 2014, 05:47 AM
|- - jgoldader   QUOTE (sittingduck @ Oct 23 2014, 12:47 A...   Oct 24 2014, 06:23 PM
- - djellison   I'd certainly like to have a look at the model...   Oct 24 2014, 07:23 PM
- - sittingduck   djellison and jgoldader, the model is definitely n...   Oct 25 2014, 06:50 PM
- - mcgyver   Ŧhere's plenty of 3d models of lander and...   Oct 30 2014, 11:15 AM
- - PDP8E   I have been working on super resolution for a few ...   Dec 14 2014, 04:22 AM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 14 2014, 05:22 AM) I t...   Dec 15 2014, 09:37 PM
- - djellison   What I find odd in this is that you can not really...   Dec 15 2014, 10:24 PM
|- - 4th rock from the sun   There's no contrast variation, but the petals ...   Dec 15 2014, 11:04 PM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 15 2014, 11:24 PM)...   Dec 16 2014, 06:51 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Dec 16 2014, 10:51 AM) W...   Dec 16 2014, 07:36 PM
- - alex_k   Something like this?   Dec 16 2014, 08:38 AM
|- - 4th rock from the sun   Alex_k, most of what I see on that image is just s...   Dec 16 2014, 10:37 AM
|- - alex_k   QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ Dec 16 2014, 0...   Dec 16 2014, 11:33 AM
|- - 4th rock from the sun   Yes, low pass at the end, after all filters. On t...   Dec 16 2014, 02:22 PM
|- - alex_k   QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ Dec 16 2014, 0...   Dec 16 2014, 02:56 PM
- - PDP8E   Thanks guys, I am looking into the petal problem a...   Dec 19 2014, 05:54 PM
- - djellison   There are at least two HiRISE images that cover th...   Dec 19 2014, 06:05 PM
- - PDP8E   I am on it Doug!   Dec 19 2014, 06:11 PM
- - 4th rock from the sun   PDP8E, how is it possible to have super-resolution...   Dec 20 2014, 02:44 AM
- - sittingduck   PDP8E, I really enjoyed your 'simulated' s...   Dec 20 2014, 02:22 PM
- - PDP8E   Hey 4th Rock, and SittingDuck I call it super-res...   Jan 3 2015, 07:22 PM
- - RichforMars   Can the MRO ever get a much closer view of the cra...   Jun 4 2015, 02:39 PM
- - djellison   No. HiRISE has a resolution of 25-30cm/pixel, and...   Jun 4 2015, 02:40 PM
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- - djellison   This is it.   Feb 18 2018, 04:38 PM
|- - sittingduck   QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 18 2018, 05:38 PM)...   Feb 21 2018, 07:30 AM
- - PaulH51   This could be an interesting thread to follow   Feb 18 2018, 08:37 PM
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