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Shaka
post Feb 5 2006, 06:46 PM
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Hope no one minds, but I felt we have to have a new topic, right from the start, as a compendium of all the Factual Observations on this incredible structure...this Mother Ship from another world...this...(who said Burgess Shale? I laughed at that at the time. blink.gif ) Who will start us off with a detailed description of what we see before us TODAY February 5, 2006 - Super Sunday.
(I'll be running from game to Exploratorium all afternoon! biggrin.gif


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post Feb 7 2006, 08:29 AM
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Hi all,

there was recently another thread Home Plate Speculations, Get it in now, before we know the truth! with a friendly competition about trying to understand Homeplate before we actually see and analyse it.

It seems that I was a bit close to what we see: (predicting a three-layered system)
QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 5 2006, 11:19 AM)
The latest scenario I suggest, after closest view of sol 742:
Sometimes between the formation of Gussev and the final filling by mudflow, there was a lake (temporary, or permanent). The surface of this lake was about the level of Homeplate, or a little above, so that Husband hills were not covered. Its open surface lasted only some days, and after the surface frozen, and eventually all the water froze to the core in some months or years.

This water was charged with a variety of salts, and these salts were deposited, but very unevenly, from the presence of ice, after one or several of the following processes:

-waves projected water on mounds, where it evaporated very quickly, lefting the salts on priviledged patches. (This is sometimes visible on earth)
-there were faults in the ice cover, allowing strong evaporation of water in some very restricted places.
-There was a continuous ice cover, see the lake froze into its whole depth. But salts were contentred in tiny patches of very salty brines, which can exist at very low temperatures (-50°C for calcium chloride). When ice sublimated, it left the solid salt patches to end drying. Homeplate could be one of these patches.  Other were observed all around.

So if this model is true, it predicts that Homeplate and similar smaller patches are just salts. Eventually we may find, from top to bottom:

-basaltic blocks and sands, projected here by more recent impacts
-most soluble salts, such as sodium and calcium chlorides
-less soluble salts, such as jarosite and sulphates
-eventually an iron oxyd layer somewhere in between
-at bottom a sandstone of basaltic sand cemented with sulphates or carbonates (eventually limestone). This layer would be the dark rocky outcrop which seems to encircle Homeplate.
-a "discordance" and under ordinary soil (same as elsewhere around).

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and that Homeplate would be the same thing than a much larger similar structure, that of Pollack crater
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- Shaka   Home, Sweet Home   Feb 5 2006, 06:46 PM
- - Shaka   O.K. We're there, and we might as well start a...   Feb 5 2006, 09:44 PM
- - Burmese   Ok, the 'Going to Home Plate' thread is ge...   Feb 6 2006, 07:02 PM
- - Mongo   We already have a new thread about the arrival at ...   Feb 6 2006, 07:12 PM
- - Burmese   Oops, sorry, didn't spot that one!   Feb 6 2006, 07:14 PM
- - mhoward   Check out the view out "to sea", as it w...   Feb 6 2006, 07:15 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (mhoward @ Feb 6 2006, 07:15 PM)althoug...   Feb 7 2006, 04:08 PM
- - Burmese   And the atmosphere is clearing a bit, I think!   Feb 6 2006, 07:25 PM
- - gpurcell   The granular lower level intrigues me. Could be a...   Feb 6 2006, 07:44 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Feb 6 2006, 09:44 AM)The gr...   Feb 6 2006, 08:34 PM
- - Bill Harris   Just off the top of my head: the reason Spirit nee...   Feb 6 2006, 09:15 PM
- - vikingmars   I hope we will have some time also to climb on top...   Feb 6 2006, 09:21 PM
|- - Nirgal   hand-colorized Sol 744 "Home Plate" pano...   Feb 6 2006, 10:46 PM
||- - mars loon   QUOTE (Nirgal @ Feb 6 2006, 10:46 PM)hand-col...   Feb 6 2006, 11:04 PM
||- - Steve   QUOTE (mars loon @ Feb 6 2006, 11:04 PM)Bernh...   Feb 6 2006, 11:17 PM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Feb 6 2006, 09:21 PM) I h...   Feb 6 2006, 11:16 PM
- - RNeuhaus   I look forward in hearing from JPL's activity ...   Feb 7 2006, 01:40 AM
- - Sunspot   They need to put the MI on the rock in the top lef...   Feb 7 2006, 01:52 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 6 2006, 08:52 PM)They ne...   Feb 7 2006, 01:58 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE The shards of shattered rock need not indica...   Feb 7 2006, 01:55 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 6 2006, 03:55 PM)The...   Feb 7 2006, 03:22 AM
- - Sunspot   Yep...thats the one. Also Spirit would be in a gr...   Feb 7 2006, 02:05 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 6 2006, 04:05 PM)Yep...t...   Feb 7 2006, 02:56 AM
- - ddeerrff   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 6 2006, 08:52 PM)They ne...   Feb 7 2006, 02:59 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (ddeerrff @ Feb 6 2006, 04:59 PM)You me...   Feb 7 2006, 03:25 AM
- - ilbasso   That "laminated fallen rock" almost look...   Feb 7 2006, 03:00 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   Hi all, there was recently another thread Home Pl...   Feb 7 2006, 08:29 AM
- - Bill Harris   Richard-- I'm witholding judgement until we k...   Feb 7 2006, 10:12 AM
|- - dilo   Really sweet! It seems drivers are very, very ...   Feb 7 2006, 08:20 PM
||- - Shaka   QUOTE (dilo @ Feb 7 2006, 10:20 AM)Really swe...   Feb 7 2006, 08:35 PM
||- - dilo   QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 7 2006, 08:35 PM)  Is...   Feb 7 2006, 08:54 PM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (dilo @ Feb 7 2006, 08:54 PM)Look at th...   Feb 7 2006, 09:09 PM
||- - Zeke4ther   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 7 2006, 05:09 PM...   Feb 8 2006, 04:45 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 7 2006, 10:12 AM)Ric...   Feb 7 2006, 08:56 PM
- - Burmese   Does this image show Bonneville in the upper left?...   Feb 7 2006, 03:43 PM
- - SigurRosFan   I mean no, Bonneville is rather behind the rocky h...   Feb 7 2006, 04:05 PM
- - Burmese   A run, a short followup bump, set the wheels, and ...   Feb 7 2006, 08:00 PM
|- - jabe   QUOTE (Burmese @ Feb 7 2006, 08:00 PM)http://...   Feb 7 2006, 08:05 PM
- - Bill Harris   I just regained my power of speech and I'm aga...   Feb 7 2006, 08:03 PM
- - mhoward   This is the view looking 45 degrees down directly ...   Feb 7 2006, 08:07 PM
- - odave   ...best parking job I've seen since Elwood swu...   Feb 7 2006, 08:11 PM
- - Tman   The last pictures show so many layers in the Plate...   Feb 7 2006, 08:13 PM
- - mhoward   Here's a wide view and a "top" view.   Feb 7 2006, 08:25 PM
- - jvandriel   Here is the view of Homeplate on Sol 744. Taken w...   Feb 7 2006, 08:39 PM
- - jvandriel   and here Spirit looking back on Sol 745. Taken wi...   Feb 7 2006, 08:40 PM
- - mhoward   Good grief - imagine what the Pancams will look li...   Feb 7 2006, 08:41 PM
|- - Nirgal   QUOTE (mhoward @ Feb 7 2006, 10:41 PM)Good gr...   Feb 7 2006, 08:46 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (Nirgal @ Feb 7 2006, 10:46 AM)latest L...   Feb 7 2006, 11:29 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 7 2006, 11:29 PM)Rats, no ...   Feb 8 2006, 08:17 AM
|- - Holder of the Two Leashes   Terrific pictures, abalone! Thanks. QUOTE (d...   Feb 8 2006, 06:05 PM
- - mhoward   Nice, Nirgal! Fast work, too; I'm pretty s...   Feb 7 2006, 08:54 PM
- - djellison   They wont climb to the top here ( infact, they...   Feb 7 2006, 08:55 PM
- - Ames   Looks like a good angle to catch some rays and rec...   Feb 7 2006, 09:01 PM
- - jvandriel   Here is the view from Sol 744 into the drive direc...   Feb 7 2006, 09:04 PM
- - SigurRosFan   Here's a new rover view ... Today's (Sol ...   Feb 7 2006, 09:14 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Feb 7 2006, 09:14 PM)Her...   Feb 7 2006, 09:39 PM
|- - mars loon   Are there estimates on how high is HP above the su...   Feb 7 2006, 11:12 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (mars loon @ Feb 7 2006, 11:12 PM)Are t...   Feb 7 2006, 11:30 PM
- - Burmese   http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/na...55P19...   Feb 7 2006, 09:19 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   I must say that there is a tremendous work made to...   Feb 7 2006, 09:23 PM
- - djellison   two threads merged   Feb 7 2006, 09:24 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE Are we looking at the bottom of this layered...   Feb 7 2006, 11:18 PM
- - abalone   Wow!!   Feb 8 2006, 07:58 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (abalone @ Feb 8 2006, 08:58 AM)Wow...   Feb 8 2006, 09:32 AM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 8 2006, 09:32 AM)Indeed...   Feb 8 2006, 07:34 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (abalone @ Feb 8 2006, 01:58 AM)Wow...   Feb 8 2006, 03:17 PM
- - Tesheiner   A combination of two panoramas. Oppy at Home Plate...   Feb 8 2006, 09:22 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Feb 8 2006, 04:22 AM)A com...   Feb 8 2006, 04:01 PM
- - abalone   Hazcam view   Feb 8 2006, 10:28 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE Oppy at Home Plate on top, and Spirit at Bur...   Feb 8 2006, 11:25 AM
- - djellison   It does strongly remind me of Burns Cliff - the mi...   Feb 8 2006, 11:30 AM
- - dvandorn   There are obviously two different lithologies goin...   Feb 8 2006, 04:29 PM
|- - Steve   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 04:29 PM)There ...   Feb 8 2006, 05:16 PM
|- - Chmee   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 12:29 PM)I keep...   Feb 8 2006, 05:36 PM
|- - Tman   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 05:29 PM)I keep...   Feb 8 2006, 07:07 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Tman @ Feb 8 2006, 02:07 PM)If it...   Feb 8 2006, 07:22 PM
- - Bill Harris   And the "dark layered rock", may be the ...   Feb 8 2006, 05:40 PM
- - djellison   I don't think it needs to - I think this rock ...   Feb 8 2006, 06:54 PM
- - Shaka   Setting aside PM for now (we need to see it closer...   Feb 8 2006, 07:41 PM
- - aldo12xu   I think we're looking at strata that has been ...   Feb 8 2006, 08:13 PM
|- - Nirgal   Here is a color-stitch of the great Sol 746 navcam...   Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (aldo12xu @ Feb 8 2006, 03:13 PM)I thin...   Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM
|- - aldo12xu   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM)I t...   Feb 8 2006, 10:54 PM
- - imipak   Now _that's_ what we like to see! http:/...   Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (imipak @ Feb 8 2006, 10:58 AM)Now _tha...   Feb 8 2006, 11:03 PM
|- - imipak   QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 8 2006, 11:03 PM)Aha! ...   Feb 8 2006, 11:39 PM
||- - Shaka   QUOTE (imipak @ Feb 8 2006, 01:39 PM)"We...   Feb 9 2006, 03:07 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 8 2006, 05:03 PM)Aha! ...   Feb 9 2006, 01:47 AM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 9 2006, 01:47 AM)I know...   Feb 9 2006, 02:14 AM
- - alan   How about some color?   Feb 8 2006, 11:26 PM
- - jamescanvin   I haven't seen these two Pancam ESF's stit...   Feb 9 2006, 02:11 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Feb 8 2006, 09:11 PM) A...   Feb 9 2006, 03:08 AM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Feb 9 2006, 03:08 AM)Anyone...   Feb 9 2006, 04:32 AM
- - Bill Harris   This is a fine-grained indurated rock, and until w...   Feb 9 2006, 03:04 AM
- - glennwsmith   Posts have been added so rapidly here that I may s...   Feb 9 2006, 05:43 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (glennwsmith @ Feb 9 2006, 05:43 AM)Pos...   Feb 9 2006, 07:53 AM
- - glennwsmith   P.S. Any Teilhard de Chardin fans out there?   Feb 9 2006, 05:46 AM
- - deglr6328   How come a few miniTES samples haven't been ta...   Feb 9 2006, 06:11 AM
- - jamescanvin   This looks good CODE748 p2271.05 72  0 ...   Feb 9 2006, 06:12 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 8 2006, 09:04 PM)Thi...   Feb 9 2006, 06:37 AM
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