Why has Cassini not done a high-rez mosaic of Titan? |
Why has Cassini not done a high-rez mosaic of Titan? |
Jan 28 2009, 07:56 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 202 Joined: 9-September 08 Member No.: 4334 |
The trick for making an extrapolation look right would be the color, I think. Most of the closer images show enough variation in color that it would look unconvincing without it.
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Jan 28 2009, 09:21 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14431 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
You've asked for insight into mission reasons why it hasn't been done.
You've been given them. Multiple reasons from multiple people. You may not agree with them, but that is essentially irrelevant. |
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Jan 29 2009, 11:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1018 Joined: 29-November 05 From: Seattle, WA, USA Member No.: 590 |
I am kind of curious why we don't seem to have better resolution maps of Titan by now, though. It seems (naively, perhaps) that there have been quite a few different flyby traectories by now, so I'd have expected most of the super fuzzy regions to be filled in. Or am I just not looking at the right composite?
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA11146.jpg For example, there's a big blurry spot at 30S, 270W. And a fuzzy corridor at 120W between 0 and 30N. On the South Polar map, there's a completely blank spot at 60S, 300W. I can understand that the North has been harder to image, pending the Equinox, but why is there a blank WEDGE from 60S up between 0 and 60W? If only to help planning for future missions, I'd think we'd want 100% coverage of the surface to some resolution. --Greg |
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Jan 30 2009, 12:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3231 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
The southern trailing hemisphere has been poorly covered to date by Cassini. There is no getting around that. We have a non-targeted encounter, IIRC, coming up later in the XM that will help fill that gap. We are trying to fill in coverage over the leading hemisphere now. But that is mostly over the southern hemisphere, so that corridor from TA/TB at 120 W does look a bit fuzzier.
60S up between 0 and 60W - do you mean 285-315W. 0-60W looks just fine to me. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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Jan 30 2009, 12:05 AM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10146 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
For what it's worth, Voyager 1 did take high resolution full disk mosaics of Titan. Voyager colour wasn't great, but it could still be fudged. So all is not lost. But you've never seen those mosaics because they are completely bland and effectively useless from a scientific point of view. Still it could be a starting point.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Jan 30 2009, 01:33 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Just out of curiosity, has anybody developed a good model of the effects of phase angle & camera angle on surface resolution at various wavelengths for Titan? The haze layer seems relatively uniform; such a model might also provide some insight on its composition (not much, I admit.)
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Jan 30 2009, 03:33 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1281 Joined: 18-December 04 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 124 |
Ah, just film a cue ball in amber light with some vaseline on the lens and call it a day!
Or you could tweak the hue of some of MESSENGER's shots of Venus, no one will notice.* *KIDDING. -------------------- Lyford Rome
"Zis is not nuts, zis is super-nuts!" Mathematician Richard Courant on viewing an Orion test |
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Jan 30 2009, 04:39 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1018 Joined: 29-November 05 From: Seattle, WA, USA Member No.: 590 |
60S up between 0 and 60W - do you mean 285-315W. 0-60W looks just fine to me. Oops -- I said 60S and meant 60N! Look at the north polar region (lower-left in the link I posted). From the pole down to 60N , there's a missing wedge between 0 and 60 W. You can sort of see this in the rectangular map too. There's very little above 60N at all, of course, but from 0 to 90W or so, there's a lot missing between 60N and 30N. Of course, after the equinox you'll get some great north polar pics, right? And, uh, don't forget to wrap up the south polar ones before that! :-) --Greg |
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Jan 30 2009, 04:47 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3231 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
Okay, yep that gap is real. Again, in later NT encounters we should fill that gap.
Don't worry, you're not the only one who gets annoyed by these gaps. But we understand the types of encounters we need to fill them so we should fill those by the end of the mission. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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Jan 30 2009, 04:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1018 Joined: 29-November 05 From: Seattle, WA, USA Member No.: 590 |
Oh I don't think "annoyed" is the right word -- disappointed is probably closer. With so many flybys, I'd been hoping to watch the Titan map gradually fill in, but it hasn't happened that way. Glad to here there actually are plans to do it, though. I was half afraid you were going to tell me that there were some spots that just couldn't be imaged well because you couldn't have a flyby that went over them. Yet another reason to look forward to an orbiter, though.
--Greg |
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Mar 17 2009, 02:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1582 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
But perhaps some images that could be used this way will still be taken. I will be working on film until at least late 2010, so there's still time. T-51 Titan ISS "Global Map" at 9 hours out? http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/files/20090327_...description.pdf It would seem they hope to have some cloud and haze features in there that would help mosaic-ing. |
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Mar 17 2009, 03:06 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 27-December 06 From: Greensboro, NC USA Member No.: 1522 |
T-51 Titan ISS "Global Map" at 9 hours out? That would rock if it is a full disk mosaic. That's what I read too - but I'm no scientist. -------------------- stephen van vuuren
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