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post Mar 17 2011, 05:29 AM
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Less than 20 hours now until the MESSENGER spacecraft fires its engine to enter orbit at Mercury.

Live Webcast March 17th – broadcast starts at 0030 UTC.

Follow the progress: http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_orbit.html.
There will be commentary on the mission, real-time coverage of the maneuver, animation of what the spacecraft is doing, a view of the carrier’s Doppler as they receive it, and live video from MESSENGER Mission Operations.

Remember that the Canberra DSN is providing two-way communication with MESSENGER smile.gif
We'll be using both DSS43 (70-metre) and DSS34 (34-metre) antennas.

Good luck to the team at Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL).
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post Mar 17 2011, 06:19 AM
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Aim your dishes well, Astro0, and may no passing birds cause the loss of a single bit! tongue.gif

Very exciting time. "Firsts" just never get old. Best of luck to the entire Messenger team, including of course the FAR too-often unappreciated people who keep the DSN up & running!


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post Mar 17 2011, 06:39 AM
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Mercury is a disk already in the 'where is MESSENGER now' view. It's getting exciting already...
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post Mar 17 2011, 12:15 PM
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7.9 billion kilometers just to get there. That makes it one of the longest distances flown by a spacecraft:
(http://www.dmuller.net/spaceflight/realstats.php?stats=flown).

Anyway, my standard realtime simulation is now updated for MOI:
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post Mar 17 2011, 02:25 PM
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I can't get "Mars" Orbit Insertion (MOI) out of my head, rather than Mercury Orbit Insertion (MOI) !!!!
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post Mar 17 2011, 07:24 PM
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Is there a way to listen to MOI via my cell phone?

I would love to watch but I'm working at that time.

Audio would be great!

Any help?
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post Mar 17 2011, 07:55 PM
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Is it so that there is no following of the MOI on any Nasa-TV channels?

Answering my own post: looks like that the Nasa-TV schedule has been updated and Messenger will be followed on Nasa-TV from 19:55 ESST onwards:
7:55 p.m. - MESSENGER: Mercury Orbit Insertion Coverage from APL - APL/HQ (ALL Channels)


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post Mar 17 2011, 10:24 PM
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Since this mission's run by JHUAPL and not JPL, do we still need to get our dry-roasted peanuts for MOI?
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post Mar 17 2011, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (dmuller @ Mar 17 2011, 07:15 AM) *
7.9 billion kilometers just to get there. That makes it one of the longest distances flown by a spacecraft:
(http://www.dmuller.net/spaceflight/realstats.php?stats=flown).

Anyway, my standard realtime simulation is now updated for MOI:
http://www.dmuller.net/messenger


Shouldn't the last item on that list read "Start of first mission extension"?
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post Mar 17 2011, 11:36 PM
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It's in Eyes on the Solar System as well - complete with the change of attitude, and the engine burn smile.gif http://go.usa.gov/4u1

(shortcut works great in Firefox/Safari/IE - but there's a bug that we need to sort out about Chrome)
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post Mar 17 2011, 11:37 PM
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Good to know! I tried getting MESSENGER to work in Celestia with the spice kernels available from the PDS, but it keeps balking sad.gif


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post Mar 18 2011, 12:30 AM
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Hello everyone.
Pretty exciting !
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post Mar 18 2011, 12:31 AM
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Yes and Mercury is getting quite large on the screen. smile.gif Eyes On The Solar System is definitely a great tool!


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post Mar 18 2011, 12:43 AM
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I like the Irish music in the background of some of the on-line presentations. Nice!

Being part of this exploration history never gets old...
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post Mar 18 2011, 12:56 AM
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Start of burn confirmed, looking at Doppler.
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post Mar 18 2011, 12:57 AM
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"Thruster firing, everything looking just perfect"
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post Mar 18 2011, 01:00 AM
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Gotta say that I'm enjoying the JHU/APL broadcast. Very slick. Live audience adds a nice element. smile.gif
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post Mar 18 2011, 01:04 AM
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Emily has a great Twitter feed going, if you can't view the Webcast. Follow her at @elakdalla.

ADMIN: http://twitter.com/elakdawalla
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post Mar 18 2011, 01:06 AM
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MESSENGER is in orbit of Mercury now.


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post Mar 18 2011, 01:09 AM
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End of main burn, tweaking now.

Edit: Lots of clapping, handshakes, looks like everything went just perfectly! Waiting on data from spacecraft to confirm.

Edit2: High rate telemetry is being received. We know now the burn did last as long as expected.

Edit3: Official confirmation of successful MOI burn. Made the target to within 0.5-sigma.


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post Mar 18 2011, 01:59 AM
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unmanned spacecraft in orbit.. firsts..

1966 Luna 10 Moon

1971 Mariner 9 Mars

1975 Venera 8 Venus Venera 9 was the first Venus orbiter. Venera 8 was a lander with a flyby bus.

1995 Galileo Jupiter

2004 Cassini Saturn

2011 Messenger Mercury

Lived through all of them.... HOW SWEET IT IS!

i ate peanuts

Congrats team!
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post Mar 18 2011, 01:59 AM
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Messenger is confirmed to be in orbit around Mercury -Hooray!! smile.gif
...Now the serious visit begins!
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post Mar 18 2011, 02:14 AM
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And... of course...

Sputnik 1957 Earth... the shot that started it all... yeah Earth is a planet.

Glorious 54 years... I was 4 that year.

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post Mar 18 2011, 03:12 AM
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Was super busy all day today, and just now came to this thread, and with a rising sense of anticipation, read all the posts.

Whew! And attaboys and 'ham sammiches' to everyone!


I did go out the other night to see Mercury and Jupiter after sunset, and was hoping all was well.
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post Mar 18 2011, 03:54 AM
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At long last, MESSENGER enters orbit! Congrats to the team and let the science begin (following check out, of course)!
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post Mar 18 2011, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Mar 18 2011, 02:59 AM) *
unmanned spacecraft in orbit.. firsts..


you forgot poor Eros...
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post Mar 18 2011, 06:27 AM
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And Itokawa! (if it counts as 'orbiting' at all....)
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post Mar 18 2011, 07:19 AM
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Itokawa was too small. Hayabusa didn't do much orbiting, only station keeping in solar orbit
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post Mar 18 2011, 07:45 AM
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Congrats! Great to hear that it worked!

@Volcanopele you can find good spice kernels on the NAIF FTP site in the PDS folder for use in Celestia, including the main mission period.
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post Mar 18 2011, 08:17 AM
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Fantastic news! And if you haven't seen it already, Emily has made an absolutely gorgeous pic for her blog, showing Mercury's size compared to other familiar bodies in the solar system...

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00002965



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post Mar 18 2011, 08:57 AM
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Nice article in the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/03/17...rss&emc=rss
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post Mar 18 2011, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 18 2011, 08:17 AM) *
Emily has made an absolutely gorgeous pic for her blog, showing Mercury's size compared to other familiar bodies in the solar system...


Indeed, a very nice comparison. But we already know of two other bodies in that size range, namely Pluto and Eris, making a total of 10.
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post Mar 18 2011, 09:57 AM
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True, but we haven't got very good images of those to use, tho.


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post Mar 18 2011, 11:38 AM
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unmanned spacecraft in orbit...

how did I miss the worldlets????? Eros and possibly Itokawa.... must be my age... and the beer.
Thanks for the corrections folks.

The Eyes on the Solar System site had a terrific simulation.... really felt like I was riding along as I listened to the webcast.
Terrific experience...

Kudos all .....

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post Mar 18 2011, 01:07 PM
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Emily's survey is great! I felt proud to recognize each orb, like a bunch of old friends. smile.gif
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post Mar 18 2011, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 18 2011, 05:07 AM) *
like a bunch of old friends. smile.gif

I used to have friends like that; remote, lonely, frigid, two-faced, endlessly going in circles, still showing the obvious scars that impacted them long ago. Sure there was always at least one hot one, but she'd usually be prone to eruptions. Since then I found UMSF and a whole new universe of friends.


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post Mar 18 2011, 02:11 PM
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Congratulation to the MESSENGER team! rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Mar 18 2011, 02:58 PM) *
I used to have friends like that; remote, lonely, frigid, two-faced, endlessly going in circles, still showing the obvious scars that impacted them long ago. Sure there was always at least one hot one, but she'd usually be prone to eruptions. Since then I found UMSF and a whole new universe of friends.


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post Mar 18 2011, 02:43 PM
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VERY proud that the MESSENGER team used a new poem I wrote for them, marking MOI...

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_orbit.html

(bottom right)

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post Mar 18 2011, 03:54 PM
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Congratulations to NASA!

I'm eagerly awaiting the first light photo from orbit...
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post Mar 18 2011, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 18 2011, 12:17 AM) *
Fantastic news! And if you haven't seen it already, Emily has made an absolutely gorgeous pic for her blog, showing Mercury's size compared to other familiar bodies in the solar system...
http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00002965

I'm glad you liked that; I'm pleased with how it turned out, though of course it looks good mostly because of Ted's excellent processing work. It's wonderful what matching phase angles and lighting directions will do to improve the feel of a montage. I spent half an hour discussing that image with my girls' babysitter last night -- a fun conversation smile.gif

QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 18 2011, 01:36 AM) *
Indeed, a very nice comparison. But we already know of two other bodies in that size range, namely Pluto and Eris, making a total of 10.

As Stu said, we don't have images of those! --but in the text and caption I did make an error about how these were all the things in the solar system between 2000 and 6000 km across -- should've stuck with 2500-6000 and I'd've been correct; or just left Triton off and left it at 3000-6000. I have a massive cheat sheet above my desk that I use to do quick size comparisons, but I don't have the KBOs on there yet because I'm still working on hunting down the best estimates of their sizes. I have got to finish that project.

QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 18 2011, 05:07 AM) *
Emily's survey is great! I felt proud to recognize each orb, like a bunch of old friends. smile.gif

Me too smile.gif The challenge for us uber-geeks is to know just from looking at them which spacecraft was responsible for each image.


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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 18 2011, 05:32 PM) *
-but in the text and caption I did make an error about how these were all the things in the solar system between 2000 and 6000 km across -- should've stuck with 2500-6000 and I'd've been correct; or just left Triton off and left it at 3000-6000.

It isn't an error - all are in that range.


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Belated congrats after a long night of work to the MESSENGER team for their own many, many long nights of work that resulted in not only a spectacular success but a truly historical achievement. smile.gif


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I was in the studio audience last night and I want to give kudos to APL for putting on a very entertaining and informative show. Pretty amazing that by July we'll have spacecraft orbiting 8 solar system bodies (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Moon, Mars, Vesta and Saturn). Too bad MESSENGER probably won't be around in 2016 when Juno arrives at Jupiter to make it 9!
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 18 2011, 09:32 AM) *
Me too smile.gif The challenge for us uber-geeks is to know just from looking at them which spacecraft was responsible for each image.


A challenge indeed, considering Ted's great skill at reprocessing data from older missions!

Okay, I'll take a shot, from left to right (the last one is a gimmie, though):

Messenger, Clementine, Cassini, Galileo, Galileo, Voyager 1, Cassini, Voyager 2.

<braces for humiliation>...

(And congratulations to Stu for his terrific poem posted on Messenger's most special day.... smile.gif )


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The moon looks like an oddly colored earth-based view, Titan is clearly from Cassini. I will ignore the others, since that really wouldn't be fair.


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The Mercury view is Mariner 10 - you can see the Caloris basin on the terminator.
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"The challenge for us uber-geeks is to know just from looking at them which spacecraft was responsible for each image. "

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Mercury: Mariner 10; Moon, an Earth-based photographer (sorry, that was a trick one); the Galileans all from Galileo; Titan from Cassini; Triton from Voyager 2.

See http://planetimages.blogspot.com/2009/09/f...om-galileo.html
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Successfully named orbs, but camera names - not...hopefully,a few more years of UMSF, PS and AmateurSpaceImages etc., should take good care of that!
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Good to know! I tried getting MESSENGER to work in Celestia with the spice kernels available from the PDS, but it keeps balking

same here there is some "odd" thing going on
i has been a few months but right now celestia thinks it is out by mars

right now i am thinkint to just skip the first 3 trips around and use only the CURRENT and forward
then fix it .
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for those here that do not know that address
ftp://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/naif/pds/data/

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The Messenger site has updated the "Where is Messenger" page with seven new views, including the Messenger ground track. Check it out.

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Though I'm a little late to the thread, I'd like to congratulate everyone involved on a job well-done. smile.gif


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huh.gif congrats to the messenger team..a job well done!
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I can't load Greg's "where is Messenger" link. Maybe the site is taking a well-deserved weekend's rest along with the personnel?
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My eyes are getting thirsty for pics!! smile.gif
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The link is fine on my end.
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QUOTE (tanjent @ Mar 20 2011, 08:09 AM) *
I can't load Greg's "where is Messenger" link.


Seems to be working now: http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/whereis/index.php

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Too bad MESSENGER probably won't be around in 2016 when Juno arrives at Jupiter to make it 9!


Ah, but May 2014 will have Rosetta orbiting Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko (can we start calling it C-G now? smile.gif ), so if it made it to 2014, it would make operating spacecraft around 10 solar system objects!


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(can we start calling it C-G now?

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Really wanted to get this pic to mark MESSENGER's arrival, so tonight I hiked up to the castle even with my knackered knee...!

Four days before MESSENGER starts photographing Mercury - Mercury seen from Kendal:

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Nice shot!
It's good to get a wide-angle view (like yours) before getting the close-up (MESSENGER's).
P.S., if anyone hasn't seen Mercury in the evening sky - low in the west 30 minutes after sunset - do it now as Mercury is fading fast (from Earth's point of view).
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Thanks smile.gif Even wider angle shot...

http://twitpic.com/4d88na

(Mercury's a bit hard to see - you need to enlarge the image by putting your cursor at the pic's top right to bring up an "enlarge" optionm then you'll see Mercury between the tower and tree. You might need to squint, but it's there.

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*Sigh*
That's wonderful!
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Everything seems to be going okay so far.

Spaceflight Now Link

"Engineers switched on six of MESSENGER's seven science instruments Wednesday to start commissioning and calibrations ..."
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First pics tomorrow. Will anyone attend the press conference?

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/details.php?id=164
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It's a 'teleconference' so any media only need to phone-in.

Plus anyone can listen in via the News Audio Stream.
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IIRC, some of the first images will be of a previously unobserved region near the North Pole?


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I *think* Louise said south pole. It's gonna be one of the poles though. I'll be phoning in for the telecon. If anybody thinks of a great question to ask, post here or Tweet me smile.gif


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Well, not a 'great' question, but what is the expected resolution of the first images, and what other instruments will be acquiring data?


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South pole it is.
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/scienc...mp;image_id=429


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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 29 2011, 06:35 AM) *
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I am curious about the orbital period of the MESSENGER spacecraft. Is it exactly 12 hours? If so, how was it chosen?
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I am curious about the orbital period of the MESSENGER spacecraft. Is it exactly 12 hours? If so, how was it chosen?



"The MESSENGER team designed the orbit to optimize the scientific yield of the mission and data transfer to Earth, while addressing thermal environment concerns.".

MESSENGER spends most of the time away from the surface to transmit data back to earth, and not to overheat due to reflected heat.
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"Finnegan told Spaceflight Now the spacecraft is in an orbit with a closest approach 128.5 miles above Mercury's surface and a high point of 9,482.7 miles. The orbit is inclined 82.5 degrees to Mercury's equator and it takes MESSENGER more than 12 hours to complete one circuit of the planet, according to Doppler tracking data."

So it's more than twelve hours, but they don't say how much more.
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QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Mar 29 2011, 03:59 PM) *
So it's more than twelve hours, but they don't say how much more.


Thank You,
I got the impression that it was exactly 12 hours. That would have been an interesting trade-off.
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Twelve hours period, with a major data downlink every other orbit, would simplify operations by having the same DSN coverage each day.

From the mission design page:

"After MESSENGER arrives in the primary science orbit, small forces, such solar radiation pressure – the force exerted by sunlight - slowly change the spacecraft's orbit. Although these small forces have little effect on MESSENGER's 12-hour orbit period, they can increase the spacecraft's minimum altitude, orbit inclination, and latitude of the surface point below MESSENGER's minimum altitude. Left uncorrected, the increase in the spacecraft's minimum altitude would prevent satisfactory completion of certain science goals.

To keep this minimum altitude below 500 kilometers (310 miles), propulsive maneuvers must occur in pairs once every Mercury year - every 88 days. The first maneuver in each pair increases the orbit period to 12 hours, 15 minutes by speeding up the spacecraft at its closest distance from Mercury. Two-and-a-half orbits later a maneuver at the farthest distance from Mercury slows the spacecraft just enough to adjust the orbit period back to 12 hours and return the minimum altitude to 200 kilometers (124 miles). Because the sunshade must protect the main part of the spacecraft from direct sunlight during propulsive maneuvers, the timing of these maneuvers is limited to a few days when Mercury is near the same point in its orbit as it was at Mercury orbit insertion."

So the current period might not be exactly 12 hours but that's immaterial, the intention is to keep adjusting it to stay around 12 hours all the time (and the correct altitude etc.).

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QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Mar 29 2011, 03:59 PM) *
"Finnegan told Spaceflight Now the spacecraft is in an orbit with a closest approach 128.5 miles above Mercury's surface and a high point of 9,482.7 miles.


Those orbital parameters translate to 12 hours 4 minutes period if I got it right. You can never tell with "miles"...


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Messenger took 363 images after that first one. More images to be posted tomorrow at 2 pm EDT.
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The image is centered at approximately 15°E and 55°S. This is a major improvement over earlier imaging coverage in this area and of course there are going to be narrow angle images as well. At a quick glance nothing that looks especially interesting. There are fairly strong contrast/brightness variations associated with some of the craters. Many scarps. And there is an interesting looking crater plus some associated features at (280,255).
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Looks good, nice to see the WAC behaving as if nothing happened. smile.gif


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Here is the image laid on top of the released footprint map. The blue outline is the area that was blank on the map to this point. The blue dot is the south pole.
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Mar 29 2011, 06:41 PM) *
Twelve hours period, with a major data downlink every other orbit, would simplify operations by having the same DSN coverage each day.

Interesting point about DSN, I didn't thought about that.
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Very rough fit of the image to a colorized version of the pre-orbit mosaic, south polar view. (only adding the bit which improves on the previous coverage)

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I read an article saying thrusters have to be fired every few months to keep MESSENGER from floating into a higher orbit by the Sun's gravity. I don't get that, since it's in a polar orbit.

Oh, wait -- the Sun is ALWAYS tugging on things, and at the proximity of Mercury, it gets taken into account throughout the orbit, on a scale similar to instances where the ISS fires thrusters to stay at altitude versus miniscule atmospheric drag. Okay, I get that.

When it doesn't have any fuel left, will it get sucked into the Sun?

LOL! The mission science is just beginning, I'm already wondering what's going to happen to our intrepid spacecraft when it runs out of fuel! sad.gif
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It really is astounding science, all hail MESSENGER team,
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When it doesn't have any fuel left, will it get sucked into the Sun?

The plan is for an impact on Mercury. But hypothetically, if they were to refrain from adjusting the orbit, and if MESSENGER left Mercury's hill sphere, it would orbit the sun.


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What a great achievement!!!

First historic pic from orbit - and since I always love to experiment and bring out as much detail as possible in photos just for my own interest - I did a false colour (+ a few other things) version during lunch which seemed worth posting. So here it is!! Haven't been here for a while but good to see everyone's passion and skills again :-)

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There's a link to the teleconference on this page now:
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Several new images have appeared here.


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No raw images for this mission, but their first delivery to the PDS will be just 6 months after orbit insertion, probably including 2 months worth of data.


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First color image released:

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/scienc...r.coreg.rgb.png


Hopefully this is an approximation of 'natural'; if so, we're in for a real treat! smile.gif


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I've actually been wondering, are the filters on the WAC as narrow as the graph below portrays? If so, how close to 'natural' is actually possible for the images?
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I see no reason why the chart would be wrong. The aim is not to take 'natural' color photographs. The aim is to do science. Much like with MER and other spacecraft, you take those science filters and approximate a true color view using algorithms.

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QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 31 2011, 01:05 AM) *
Hopefully this is an approximation of 'natural'; if so, we're in for a real treat! smile.gif


I believe it's enhanced with the IR filters to bring out the blue/yellow shades. So, I don't believe it's what your eye would see if you were in MESSENGER's position.

Still a nice pic though!
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It is what you might see if your eyes were properly designed to study the surface composition of Mercury. smile.gif


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New pic!

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