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post Dec 31 2005, 12:08 AM
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I think that many people in this forum would agree that somebody's going to have to land on Europa someday before the rather elaborate schemes to penetrate the outer ice layer will ever fly, if for no other reason than to get some relevant ground truth before committing to such an elaborate, expensive, and risky mission.

EO seems to have ruled out any surface science package for that mission (though it would be nice to change their minds! wink.gif ), but I think that there is a valid requirement at some point to directly assess the surface properties of Europa in an inexpensive yet creative way. Some candidate instrument payloads might be:

1. A sonar transducer/receiver set embedded within a penetrometer to determine crust density and examine the uniformity of the ice layer within the operational radius of the instrument (looking for cracks and holes, in other words).

2. A conductivity sensor again embedded inside a penetrometer to measure the native salinity of the surrounding material and possibly derive some constraints on the composition of metallic salts in the European crust (saltiness has a major effect on ice properties, in addition to the obvious need to derive the salt content of any underlying ocean).

3. A seismometer for all sorts of reasons.


How does this sound? Any critiques, additions, or subtractions? I omitted a surface imager not only because of bandwidth/extra complexity considerations but also because it seems desirable to penetrate the crust in order to minimize as much as possible reading any contaminants from Io during surface measurements. The orbiter data could be used to sense and subtract this from the penetrometer readings.


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post Aug 8 2013, 07:46 AM
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NASA Discusses Future Robotic Lander Mission To Europa
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1112917...-lander-080713/

The paper by Pappalardo et al. is published in Astrobiology Journal:
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2013.1003

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- nprev   The First Europa Lander   Dec 31 2005, 12:08 AM
- - tty   Your point on impurities lowering the melting poin...   Dec 7 2007, 07:48 PM
- - Vultur   This might well be too hard to pull off, but what ...   Sep 13 2008, 02:49 AM
- - djellison   Sound more dangerous, unpredictable and dynamic th...   Sep 13 2008, 07:04 AM
- - centsworth_II   Also, the ice being rock hard, it would take quite...   Sep 13 2008, 10:58 AM
- - nprev   Should have posted this earlier, but our friend ...   Apr 18 2009, 05:36 AM
- - Paolo   Russia may launch a Fobos-Grunt based Europa lande...   Aug 30 2009, 08:51 AM
- - Hungry4info   While I love the whole idea of a USA + Russia + ES...   Aug 30 2009, 11:53 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Aug 30 2009, 12:53 P...   Aug 31 2009, 08:01 PM
|- - Hungry4info   QUOTE (vjkane @ Aug 31 2009, 03:01 PM) Th...   Sep 3 2009, 11:14 AM
|- - ynyralmaen   It'd still be a problem on the anti-Jupiter he...   Sep 3 2009, 06:39 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (ynyralmaen @ Sep 3 2009, 07:39 PM)...   Sep 4 2009, 12:43 AM
- - dvandorn   Here's a thought -- Europa's surface is mo...   Sep 4 2009, 01:54 AM
- - Paolo   Pure science fiction but interesting anyway, a Rus...   Jan 5 2010, 08:15 PM
- - Juramike   2 years in Jupiter system orbit before lander rele...   Jan 5 2010, 08:28 PM
- - nprev   No detail on instruments; guess the purpose is to ...   Jan 5 2010, 09:10 PM
- - djellison   Most of Juno's electronics are in a titanium ...   Jan 5 2010, 09:34 PM
- - nprev   Hmm. Looks like that might mean that the actual sc...   Jan 5 2010, 09:43 PM
|- - helvick   Titanium seems like an odd choice to me (given it...   Jan 5 2010, 09:55 PM
|- - ugordan   There's more to radiation shielding than x-ray...   Jan 5 2010, 10:03 PM
|- - helvick   Which is a very fair point - casual scanning of th...   Jan 5 2010, 10:29 PM
- - nprev   Low-Z also means low weight. Ti's got a number...   Jan 5 2010, 10:16 PM
- - hendric   I'll bet these guys have some good pointers on...   Jan 5 2010, 10:24 PM
- - djellison   http://opfm.jpl.nasa.gov/files/Y-McAlpine-...s%20L...   Jan 5 2010, 10:33 PM
|- - helvick   Ah no, I've been sucked in - see you guys some...   Jan 5 2010, 11:28 PM
- - Marz   JEO (Jupiter Europa Orbiter) launch in 2020 land i...   Dec 10 2011, 12:34 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Marz @ Dec 9 2011, 07:34 PM) let...   Dec 10 2011, 03:33 AM
|- - SFJCody   Agreed that a broad reconnaissance would be prefer...   Dec 10 2011, 07:56 AM
- - Paolo   the problem is: without an orbital reconnaissance ...   Dec 10 2011, 09:31 AM
- - Drkskywxlt   The bigger problem right now, Paolo, is there...   Dec 10 2011, 01:15 PM
- - MarcF   NASA Discusses Future Robotic Lander Mission To Eu...   Aug 8 2013, 07:46 AM
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