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post Dec 14 2007, 05:02 PM
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This just out. Not earth-shattering, but colorful - maybe handy as an up-to-date
Titan intro

http://www.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/td2702/lorenz.pdf
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post Dec 16 2007, 08:12 PM
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I bought in 2004 "Lifting Titan's Veil".It's of course the reference for Titan and I will reread it very soon to compare with what we know now ( presented in Titan revealed).

I'm fascinated by the radar images of the lakes in your Titan review.Unfortunately, the radar images don't give any indication on the appearance of the liquid.Does it appear dark, orange, blue... from a human eye?

Some dark and uniform patches located on the "white snow" of Iapetus made me think they were pools of hydrocarbons, similar to what we might find on Titan. Do you think that the idea is relevant?
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post Dec 17 2007, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (Webscientist @ Dec 16 2007, 03:12 PM) *
I'm fascinated by the radar images of the lakes in your Titan review.Unfortunately, the radar images don't give any indication on the appearance of the liquid.Does it appear dark, orange, blue... from a human eye?

Some dark and uniform patches located on the "white snow" of Iapetus made me think they were pools of hydrocarbons, similar to what we might find on Titan. Do you think that the idea is relevant?


Lakes - get asked this a lot. Dunno. Probably like one of those 'Random_City at night' postcards - black.
Since the lakes are at the poles, its often nighttime. Sun and saturnshine is always low on the horizon, never
high in the sky, and only red light filters down to the ground. If you brought your own white light with you,
depends. Pure methane would look blueish - like Neptune - because of the methane absorptions in red. But
if there is a lot of reddish tholin suspended in it, maybe brownish (wine-dark sea?). So mostly black

White snow - even stuff like benzene (for example) at liquid nitrogen temperatures is white. I think
maybe anthracene is yellow (maybe Juramike can explain how things get dark/colored?). Soot of course is
black. I don't think we can rule out any of these of Titan (or Iapetus, for that matter..)
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post Dec 17 2007, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE (rlorenz @ Dec 17 2007, 01:37 PM) *
Pure methane would look blueish - like Neptune - because of the methane absorptions in red. But
if there is a lot of reddish tholin suspended in it, maybe brownish (wine-dark sea?).


Ralph -

In all the discussions of Titan missions, has anyone discussed putting a "lander" in the one of the lakes to study their composition?

All -

At the AGU conference, there was a poster proposing that the "land" area around the lakes might be a lot like the karst regions of Earth where the liquid has eroded the surface into dramatic shapes. It would be beautiful to see, but I can't imagine an engineering team ever agreeing that such an area would be safe to land in. ("What part of cliffs and unsafe don't you understand?...)


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post Dec 17 2007, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE (vjkane @ Dec 17 2007, 04:53 PM) *
In all the discussions of Titan missions, has anyone discussed putting a "lander" in the one of the lakes to study their composition?


I would love a "Pioneer Venus" style mission with at least five Huygens-style landers plus an orbiter, with each lander directly sampling one of the major terrain units:

1) the bright terrain as seen at Xanadu
2) the dark brown equatorial dune fields
3) the dark blue channel deposits
4) the very bright, possibly volcanism-related deposits as seen north of Hotei Arcus
5) the north-polar liquid hydrocarbon "oceans" (or Ontario Lacus, depending on approach geometry)

If there were room in the budget for a balloon in addition to this, it would be great, but I have a feeling that even these five landers would be a budget-buster.

Bill
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