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Martian Cave Probe?, Designs for the DEEP Search for Life
Shaka
post Nov 14 2007, 12:18 AM
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Does anyone consider it worthwhile to speculate on how we might explore Martian caves or lava tubes for the traces of life - past or present? I have not yet run across any 'official' proposals for "spelunker probes", so perhaps we could have some fun and get in on the ground floor with some feasible early designs. With the engineering and scientific expertise we have at UMSF we should be able to whittle down the possible features for such a rover to a practical core. If the planned surface scrapers and drillers don't turn up conclusive evidence to answer The Big Question, can we justify a search of the Martian Underground?

I can envisage a RTG-powered rover that enters a cave, or rappels down a skylight opening, leaving a base communication stage outside connected to it with a fiber-optic umbilical cable. Some form of laser or other illumination - in the visible and/or infrared - would presumably be required. How many of the MSL instruments could be included? What novel instruments would be appropriate? What is the optimal size and mobility design? 'Do we yet have 'hot' prospects for accessible caves? How should we choose the best candidates?

We can leave this to some JPL bright spark to develop, or we can dive right in. Any takers? smile.gif wheel.gif


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post Nov 15 2007, 08:21 PM
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Good fundamental astrobiological question, Cugel. A quick dip into Google Scholar suggests that the answer is "Yes, maybe." Mars Methane Sources and see also:Carbon AND Hydrogen Isotopes
Of course the hope would be that if organisms in the underground are the source of the atmospheric gases, the concentrations inside the cave would be significantly higher, hence easier to quantify isotopically. Given the current drive toward miniaturized spectrometers (for military, if not scientific applications!), we may not be far away from an astrobiology lab in a shoebox or better. Weight may not be the challenge.

The bottom of a cave or lava tube may well be a severe challenge to rover mobility. Wheels may have to give way to legs - with snowshoes! - in order to clamber over fallen rocks and dust puddles.

Edit: I just had a spine-tingling mental image of a mechanical SPIDER! Instead of spider silk paying out the back end, you would have fiber-optic cable! tongue.gif


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post Nov 16 2007, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Shaka @ Nov 15 2007, 09:21 PM) *
Good fundamental astrobiological question, Cugel. A quick dip into Google Scholar suggests that the answer is "Yes, maybe." Mars Methane Sources and see also:Carbon AND Hydrogen Isotopes


Thank you for those links. That's very interesting and encouraging news! (And not just for Mars caves)
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- Shaka   Martian Cave Probe?   Nov 14 2007, 12:18 AM
- - nprev   Cool idea, but I don't think it'd ever fly...   Nov 14 2007, 12:52 AM
- - dvandorn   As far as I know, however, all of the lava tube ca...   Nov 14 2007, 01:54 AM
- - nprev   Great point, oDoug. Hopefully <wish mode> we...   Nov 14 2007, 03:27 AM
- - Shaka   You get my drift, nprev. Elevation could be a cru...   Nov 14 2007, 06:20 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (Shaka @ Nov 13 2007, 11:20 PM) ......   Nov 15 2007, 10:22 PM
- - Cugel   Elevation is only a problem if you come in on a ch...   Nov 14 2007, 01:20 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Cugel @ Nov 14 2007, 05:20 AM) Als...   Nov 14 2007, 04:12 PM
|- - Cugel   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 14 2007, 05:12 PM) I w...   Nov 15 2007, 11:59 AM
- - centsworth_II   If you're looking for microbe-friendly habitat...   Nov 14 2007, 03:59 PM
- - Shaka   Thanks, guys, for your input. Clearly this is not...   Nov 15 2007, 04:56 AM
- - Shaka   Good fundamental astrobiological question, Cugel. ...   Nov 15 2007, 08:21 PM
|- - Cugel   QUOTE (Shaka @ Nov 15 2007, 09:21 PM) Goo...   Nov 16 2007, 03:09 PM
- - Shaka   For sure, Prof Don! Any kind of vent or other...   Nov 15 2007, 11:09 PM
- - nprev   Like the spider, still hate the cable. I wonder if...   Nov 16 2007, 01:13 AM
- - Shaka   Don't understand your problem with Shelob...   Nov 16 2007, 02:39 AM
- - nprev   I keep thinking of the cable getting wedged betwee...   Nov 16 2007, 02:48 AM
- - mchan   All I gotta say is you guys here have designed des...   Nov 16 2007, 03:02 AM
- - Shaka   Devilsfood, to be precise. All we need is to cult...   Nov 16 2007, 04:09 AM
- - nprev   Shaka, let's compromise. Shelob can drag a fib...   Nov 16 2007, 01:45 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 16 2007, 08:45 AM) She...   Nov 16 2007, 03:41 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Nov 16 2007, 07:41...   Nov 17 2007, 01:57 AM
- - Juramike   Hmmm...I'd worry about possible backtracking. ...   Nov 16 2007, 04:05 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Juramike @ Nov 16 2007, 11:05 AM) ...   Nov 16 2007, 05:41 PM
- - Juramike   At some point we will need to go in and explore ha...   Nov 16 2007, 06:14 PM
- - Shaka   For starters I'll concede that no interplaneta...   Nov 16 2007, 09:52 PM
- - Del Palmer   Would a modified version of LEMUR be up to the job...   Nov 16 2007, 10:59 PM
- - Shaka   LEMUR How sweet it is! I'm relieved to s...   Nov 17 2007, 01:32 AM
- - Shaka   Helllll, yessss, nprev! It was about 25 years...   Nov 17 2007, 05:21 AM
- - nprev   ...I was an ET, sailed several times on the Albatr...   Nov 17 2007, 11:23 AM
- - Shaka   "navigate back" Wow, you don't want...   Nov 17 2007, 06:55 PM
- - Shaka   Expanding further on the subject of Shelob's i...   Nov 17 2007, 09:25 PM
- - nprev   All over it, Boss! Gonna stick to my guns on...   Nov 17 2007, 11:29 PM
- - tanjent   Getting any hardware to Mars is going to be expens...   Nov 20 2007, 04:07 PM
- - Shaka   Scouting is good. Expensive is bad. But good and ...   Nov 22 2007, 07:25 AM


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