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May 8 2012, 02:20 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 30-July 09 Member No.: 4887 |
But I would take issue with you on one point. At Apollo 15 you say there is no clear evidence of a flag shadow, and that is true in the first frames, but not in the last three where a very dark shadow appears and moves as expected. Maybe the orientation of the flag is such that the early frames are casting a very thin shadow (i.e. the sun is in the plane of the flag in the mid-morning). Thanks, Phil. Yes, I, of course, noticed those frames too during my work on this. My original assessment was that more work was needed (since it was not so clear cut as the three I was sure about) and I couldn't understand the shadows being shown without more modeling/analysis. Eric Jones and I went back and forth about this a lot. If someone in the audience wants to offer a model (i.e. 3D) for the shadow casting for these frames, then we would welcome it. It is baffling. You idea might work but I have not had the time to test it and other theories. |
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May 22 2012, 09:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1074 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Québec, Canada Member No.: 3908 |
Spectacular oblique view of Tycho crater has been posted here. Must see!
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May 23 2012, 05:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 655 Joined: 22-January 06 Member No.: 655 |
Beautiful desolation!
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Nov 5 2013, 01:54 AM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10151 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
-------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Nov 5 2013, 05:31 AM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 3108 Joined: 21-December 05 From: Canberra, Australia Member No.: 615 |
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Nov 6 2013, 06:05 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 890 Joined: 18-November 08 Member No.: 4489 |
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Nov 19 2013, 06:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1074 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Québec, Canada Member No.: 3908 |
Today's LROC featured image is a spectacular oblique view of Tsiolkovsky's central peak.
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Dec 18 2015, 03:53 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2511 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Earthrise from LRO: http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/895
-------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Dec 18 2015, 07:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2082 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
Goodness! That is probably one of the top images of the year right there.
The DSCOVR view at the time seems almost tame by comparison.... http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/epic-archive/png...12120347_00.png |
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Dec 18 2015, 11:40 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 3-May 12 From: Massachusetts, USA Member No.: 6392 |
Wow! That Earthrise image is incredible. Thank you for posting the link to it.
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Feb 22 2017, 05:10 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10151 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
I'm replying here to James Ficannon's post in the Apollo from LRO thread. He linked to an image of a very unusual object in images of the floor of Paracelsus C on the far side.
------------------ James: By the way, any opinion of this blocky thing in Paracelsus C others have found? Simplified link to QuickMap. http://bit.ly/2ljHDYT Maybe it is just a blocky thing, but I would like it if there were a lot more blocky things in the area which there are not. -------------------- Me: That has to be one of the most puzzling things I have ever seen on the Moon. I looked at it with morning and afternoon illumination, and with the Sun nearly overhead. The shadows on the southern object hardly seem to make sense at all, and the northern one is not much better. No idea what it is. Some 3D modelling from stereo images would be useful... I see some of that has been done already, but I am not sure the shadows work with the suggested shape. I will keep thinking about it. Phil -------------------- Now I have had some time to think about it. I have a geometric interpretation of the southern object which makes sense to me: (I'm still thinking about the northern object, but ultimately I expect it to be similar). So, I interpret this thing as a steeply oriented thin rock slab. Just using the Quickmap scale bar, it seems to be about 50 m long, maybe 20 m high and maybe 4 m thick with an irregular top edge. There is a linear depression next to the object on it south side, probably a sign of a buried chunk of the same type of material. The shadows make sense to me now. What can it be? It is on a small mound, one of several on the south floor of Paracelsus C at the foot of the southern wall. I would interpret it as a slab of impact melt (we see flows of melt around many other craters), originally on the rim of the crater and probably long buried under ejecta from other craters to protect it for a billion years or so. Then a wall slump brings it to the floor of Paracelsus C. The slump is the source of the mounds on the floor, and was probably caused by shaking associated with a big impact. By chance these long-buried but coherent, massive slabs of melt end up sticking out of the ground. This whiole area has a 'hilly and lineated' appearance resembling similar terrain on Mercury which has been interpreted as caused by seismic shaking from a giant antipodal impact (Imbrium). A bit ad hoc, but not as ad hoc as an entrance to an alien base. I would also be happier if there were other similar objects nearby. But you can't have everything. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Feb 22 2017, 06:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2346 Joined: 7-December 12 Member No.: 6780 |
By "crater counting", these slabs seem to be as old as the surrounding surface, covered with small old craters. Old, since the small craters themselves look usharp due to microcratering.
A few hundred meters east of the slabs, some larger craters seem to be considerably(?) younger. About one km west of the slabs there is an old large impact crater with ejecta (a hill) to the east, hence likely caused by an impactor coming from a western direction. The slabs might be part of these ejecta. Right of the slabs, there are traces of a sector of a disk with a radius of about 200m, and with the slabs near the center of the disk. The slabs might have fallen back earlier than some of finer material and shadowed it causing the subtle structure. Before the impact, the slabs might have been part of a basalt layer under the surface regolith, just shallow enough to be partially broken up by the impact. ...one of many conceivable scenarios... |
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Feb 23 2017, 04:29 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 30-July 09 Member No.: 4887 |
Thanks for your suggestions!
I am no lunar scientist but I would have preferred an explanation of either: 1) a boulder that rolled to that spot (since it is at the base of the crater slope) and dust accumulated enough (!!) to cover the tracks or 2) low speed ejecta from elsewhere that landed the block (which broke upon impact) and somehow did not create a crater (like Gerald's suggestion except I cannot see the 1 km west impact that he says might have caused it, I was expecting something much farther away). Also, I would like to see examples of similar occurrences elsewhere on the Moon. I do see a number of spots with very entertaining slabs at the bottom of the crater. For instance, here are a lot of slabs in Giordano Bruno. http://bit.ly/2mgWnWH |
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Feb 23 2017, 04:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2346 Joined: 7-December 12 Member No.: 6780 |
Re 2) Do you see the fuzzy shadow of almost 500m diameter 1km to the left from the slabs? I'd interprete this as an old impact crater. Over time, the craters erode due to subsequent impacts.
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Feb 23 2017, 05:03 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 30-July 09 Member No.: 4887 |
Re 2) Do you see the fuzzy shadow of almost 500m diameter 1km to the left from the slabs? I'd interprete this as an old impact crater. Over time, the craters erode due to subsequent impacts. I used Quickmap to measure the distance from the slabs to the leftwise crater and it is only 500 m to the center of it. It is about 500 m diameter. Being a neophyte I would have thought that the erosion of that crater would be matched by the erosion of the presumed slabs ejected from it. That looks like a lot of crater erosion to me! But the slabs appear sharply defined. |
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