Cydonia: Face on Mars |
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Cydonia: Face on Mars |
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 Sep 21 2006, 11:15 AM
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Sep 21 2006, 11:26 AM
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Founder  Group: Chairman Posts: 14431 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Great pictures tied in with the highest res. topography of the hills in that area we've ever had and obviously showing, yet again, the purely natural nature of what we see. Of course, the fact that this is a German instrument on a European spacecraft won't becalm the conspiratorial nuts, and the artifact nuts will still find something to talk about I'm sure....pity...because without the hoaglanderati going hysterical over this stuff it's actually a fascinating and beautiful vista.
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Sep 21 2006, 11:33 AM
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The mosts recent posts were all trying to demonstrate that the "artificial" nature of the face was nuts. What I like in this view is that, unlike these posts, you can still figure out a kind of face. Just naturaly beautifull : my favorite face of the face.
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Sep 21 2006, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 21 2006, 12:26 PM)  Great pictures tied in with the highest res. topography of the hills in that area we've ever had and obviously showing, yet again, the purely natural nature of what we see. Of course, the fact that this is a German instrument on a European spacecraft won't becalm the conspiratorial nuts, and the artifact nuts will still find something to talk about I'm sure....pity...because without the hoaglanderati going hysterical over this stuff it's actually a fascinating and beautiful vista. Doug No doubt the skull-like mountains will be declared to be "unfinished" faces.  Beautiful imagery, though. Andy |
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Sep 21 2006, 02:20 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 18-March 05 From: Germany Member No.: 211 |
Yes, very nice pictures. On the web site of a German magazine I found some anaglyphs of the face, which I did not find on the ESA website
 The article: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltrau...,438362,00.html The anaglyphs: http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,704366,00.jpg http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,704368,00.jpg Michael |
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Sep 21 2006, 02:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Finland (62°14′N 25°44′E) Member No.: 408 |
The Mars Express image looks suprisingly similar to the images taken by Viking Orbiters, probably due to the lower resolution. The "face" was not at all discernible in hi-res images of Mars Global Surveyor. That a half of the face is missing is news to me.
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Sep 21 2006, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 21 2006, 04:26 AM) Of course, the fact that this is a German instrument on a European spacecraft ... It would appear, though the text does not state this in any way, that the high-res image is merely the MOC image colorized by and overlain on HRSC stereo-derived topography. Else, why would they credit MSSS? -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Sep 21 2006, 02:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Finland (62°14′N 25°44′E) Member No.: 408 |
That seems to be the case. The accompanying MEX image has considerably lower resolution. Note how the high-resolution area covers only part of the 3D image.
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Sep 21 2006, 05:00 PM
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If the Viking Orbiter's cameras had been just better enough to image Cydonia in
more detail, would the issue of the Face have ever come up? Personally I think there are plenty of far more interesting natural features on Mars that valuable time and effort could be devoted to. The Face and the Pyramids have become quite the rut and taken away from important Mars exploration. I know I am hardly alone in these thoughts on this forum, but I just had to say it. Just once it would be nice if the public wanted to explore a world for its own merits rather than the perceived notion that some kind of life is there. -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Sep 21 2006, 06:57 PM
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The region itself is very interesting. Look at the evidence of massive flooding.
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Sep 22 2006, 07:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Finland (62°14′N 25°44′E) Member No.: 408 |
QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 21 2006, 08:00 PM) If the Viking Orbiter's cameras had been just better enough to image Cydonia in more detail, would the issue of the Face have ever come up? If Nasa never had made the press release about Martian faces in Viking images (the happy face (Galle crater) and the sad face (the mesa)) nobody probably would have heard of it. Years ago the press release text was available at the JPL website, but I haven't seen it since. QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 21 2006, 08:00 PM) Personally I think there are plenty of far more interesting natural features on Mars that valuable time and effort could be devoted to. The Face and the Pyramids have become quite the rut and taken away from important Mars exploration. Yes, it's hard to imagine a less interesting object. -------------------- The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.
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Sep 22 2006, 10:53 PM
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Oh joy...CNN just picked up the story: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/09/22/m...face/index.html
Anybody have any updates from Hoaxland? Try as I might, I just can't bring myself to surf over there...  ...but selfishly, I still crave the comic relief.
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Sep 22 2006, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 22 2006, 11:53 PM) Oh joy...CNN just picked up the story: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/09/22/m...face/index.html Anybody have any updates from Hoaxland? Try as I might, I just can't bring myself to surf over there... ...but selfishly, I still crave the comic relief.New Scientist and BBC Online have already had it too. |
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Sep 23 2006, 03:05 AM
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A few years ago in Antarctica I attended a lecture on glaciology aboard a cruise ship. The naturalist gave an impressive talk lasting nearly two hours. At the end, he left a beautiful slide of an iceberg on the screen and asked for questions. There was silence for a few moments, then one passenger raised his hand and said "Has anyone but me noticed that if you look at the right side of that iceberg you can see the profile of a man's face?" There was a chorus of yeses and wows...and no further questions.
I think humans must have an innate compulsion to find human faces in the most abstract situations. Unfortunately, hucksters like Hoagland have learned to take advantage of that instinct for their own profit. |
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Sep 23 2006, 09:19 AM
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I just did a look of Hoagland's website and I still don't see any reply to the latest MEX images of the Cydonia area. It appears we have the proof at last that all the features in the Cydonia area are truly natural afterall. I think the clincher is the fact that the images came from a German camera on an ESA mission. Hoagland has been accusing NASA of a coverup, but can he say the same for ESA?
BTW: The Cydonia images are the best images of the region I've ever seen! -------------------- I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse; therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed.
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