Dawn approaches Vesta, Approach phase, 3 May to 16 July 2011 |
Dawn approaches Vesta, Approach phase, 3 May to 16 July 2011 |
Jun 18 2011, 02:35 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10150 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Don't forget the phase angles - HST images show a small phase angle (that's a measure of how much is in shadow - small phase angle = nearly a fully illuminated phase), Dawn is showing a larger one. If you think of this face of Vesta with a chunk on the left side in shadow, you'll get a better idea of its true shape.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Jun 18 2011, 08:15 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
And by "bumpy" I mean large observable orbit perturbations caused by unevenly distributed mass. Yeah, no doubt. I was thinking that south polar passes might be particularly interesting; not sure if that honkin' big crater left just a divot, or also deposited an equally honkin' big mascon. (Might be a major clue about the nature of the impactor, as well as its impact velocity.) -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Jun 18 2011, 08:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
I's say it was completely shattered by that impact and reassembled over time.
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Jun 18 2011, 08:23 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10150 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
If it was shattered and reassembled there would not be a south polar crater!
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Jun 18 2011, 08:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
I'd say it was NEARLY completely shattered by that impact and reassembled over time.
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Jun 18 2011, 08:53 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10150 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Nice recovery!
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Jun 18 2011, 11:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1018 Joined: 29-November 05 From: Seattle, WA, USA Member No.: 590 |
I took a look at the Dawn Mission's simulated view of Vesta: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/fullview4.jpg
Even at just 130,000 miles away, it still doesn't look like anything special. In hindsight, I guess it would have been nice if they had a simulated view through the framing camera. This slow-motion approach is really a different experience in a lot of ways. |
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Jun 19 2011, 01:40 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2785 Joined: 10-November 06 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 1345 |
My guess of a comparision between a still image from the Hubble rotation movie (PIA13427) and the June 14 image:
If so, then just about to come into rotation is that big dark crease. (I still think this looks like a really big echinoid. It'll be nice to see craters and other distinguishing features for orientation.) -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Jun 19 2011, 02:02 AM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
It's not only the slow approach that makes this one strange, it's the sheer size of Vesta. For any of the other asteroids we've ever seen, Dawn would still be looking at pretty much just a point of light right now.
(Of course, if we were visiting a smaller asteroid, the FC would probably have been designed with a narrower FOV, but hopefully you get my point...) -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Jun 20 2011, 02:07 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 2-September 08 From: Bad Gandersheim, Germany Member No.: 4327 |
I just want to point out that it's really bizarre that this photo, from a JPL mission, has been released on the imaging team's website but is nowhere to be found on the Dawn mission site or in Photojournal. JPL is usually so together and organized, everything shows up everywhere nearly simultaneously, so this is really anomalous. However it got out, I'm very happy! There's still not a lot to see, just enough to see that there's a lot more to be seen.... As I understand things, this is because the agreement is that we (the MPS FC Team) can release an image, and JPL can release their choice of an image. To be honest, I can't remember if they are the same image, just processed differently, or if they are two different images. The processing differs between the two teams. We're better, obviously Either way, gives you guys two images a week, rather than one, so stop complaining |
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Jun 20 2011, 02:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1018 Joined: 29-November 05 From: Seattle, WA, USA Member No.: 590 |
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Jun 20 2011, 03:52 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
so stop complaining How about if they are ALL released like MER, Cassini and Phoenix. There'll be no complaints then -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Jun 20 2011, 09:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 813 Joined: 29-December 05 From: NE Oh, USA Member No.: 627 |
NASA Hosts Briefing To Preview Spacecraft Visit Of Large Asteroid NASA will host a news briefing at 2 p.m. EDT on Thursday, June 23, to discuss the Dawn spacecraft's year-long visit to the large asteroid Vesta. NASA Television and the agency's website will broadcast the event. http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/jun/H...Dawn_Visit.html Craig |
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Jun 20 2011, 10:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2082 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
That's as good an opportunity as any to show some new images. Will be tuning in...
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Jun 20 2011, 10:33 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
With the greatest of respect - and I do appreciate there are challenges and problems for the DAWN Outreach team to tackle - I just can't get all woo-hooey over the prospect of two images a week, not when I can go to the MER or CASSINI sites and see dozens of new images each day. That's the way things are done now. You need to join the rest of us in 2011!
If any of the DAWN team are looking in (and I know you're busy guys, seriously) can I suggest you wander over to the following thread: http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=6990 ...and see what people can do when you release your images? We're not just asking because we're greedy and impatient, or because we feel we have some god-given right to them. We can use them to create just *incredible* portraits, and movies, and visions, which you yourselves can use, which people Out There will see and think "Wow! That's amazing!!" and get excited about the spacecraft and the team that took them. It's a no-brainer, really it is. I'm confident we'll see some more images at the media event too, Dan; it would be a perfect opportunity to amaze everyone! -------------------- |
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