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post Jan 8 2007, 07:15 PM
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I have just watched the BBC's report on the newly created 3D map of dark matter using Hubble data; and it made my heart sink.

I applaud the BBC for giving airtime to such discoveries, but for such a respected organisation their research was awful.

It's no wonder the vast majority of people are either bewildered or disinterested the the universe as a whole when the facts they are given are completely wrong.

It's a shame that tonight 60 million or so people in the UK and many other people around the world were told Hubble shone a beam of light out into the depths of the universe and studied how it was bent by the gravity of dark matter billions of light years away!

And this was a report from the BBCs science correspondant!

I remain downhearted that perhaps the most important story of the week was reported in such a shoddy manner.

Does anyone else feel space is being let down by TV coverage?


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post Jan 6 2008, 08:38 AM
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At first glance this is quite an amusing subject, I know, but for us "community astronomers" the whole star-naming thing is a nightmare, and worse than that it actually causes some people quite a lot of hurt.

Several large national retailers were offering "Name A Star" gift boxes for Christmas presents this year in the UK, and I had - as usual - a dozen or so phone calls, or conversations with people in the street or at work, with people either asking me if they should name a star after a loved one, or telling me they'd already bought one for someone, and I had to tell them that, as lovely an idea as this is, it is a total waste of money, because no-one has the right to offer star names for sale. It's not illegal, but I could set myself up in business and charge people to have a blade of grass by Kendal Castle or a grain of sand on Arnside beach named after them or a loved one and it would be just as "official" as offering to name a star for them. Some people take this news in their stride, and just decide not to go ahead with the present and buy a book token or something, others get angry that they might have been conned. The ones who have already "bought a star" are usually either gutted or angry, or both.

But worse are the phone calls I get from people at other times of the year from people who want to know if I can come around to where they live and show them, and/or their family, the star they have had named after someone who's died. I've had children calling asking me to show them where the star they named after their mother or father is, grandparents asking where the star is they've named after a dead grandchild, husbands and wives wanting to see the star named after their deceased partner, it's just awful to have to tell them that... well, to have to tell them the truth.

This really annoys me, and has done for years, because people buy these "stars" in good faith, often for a loved one as a romantic gift, thinking they can take them outside on a clear night and, standing there arm in arm or hand in hand, show them "their star". That’s not possible because the stars on offer are all far, far below naked eye visibility. Other people “buy star names” in memory of someone who's died, thinking it will somehow immortalise them. It doesn't; that star would only bear the buyer’s chosen name on a list in that company's database, not on any official star catalogue or registry that astronomers or scientists use. Patrick Moore will never mention “Irene’s Star” on The Sky at Night, Neil deGrasse Tyseon will never mention “Tiddles’ Star” in one of his books because the names are 100000% unofficial.

One of the companies does say this on its website: “Will astronomers call the star by its new name? No. In professional astronomical and scientific circles the star you name will be referred to either by telescope co-ordinates or by identity number.” but of course it's buried away in the small print in these packages and people have already paid for the thing by then, so it's too late.

So yes, this is amusing at first thought, but when you've had someone break down in tears at a "skywatch" event when they've found out that the star they "named" after their beloved grandmother isn't actually theirs at all, it isn't quite so funny.

And that's why I hate the whole star-naming thing. It's just wrong.


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- As old as Voyager   Inaccuracy in reporting astronomy and science   Jan 8 2007, 07:15 PM
- - Ames   Yes I do! Don't get me started... Only ...   Jan 8 2007, 09:09 PM
- - Sunspot   I saw that report too, without a doubt the worst p...   Jan 8 2007, 10:37 PM
- - Stu   Absolutely appalling and - after yesterday's ...   Jan 8 2007, 10:51 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   The thing that worries me is that there must be ma...   Jan 8 2007, 11:10 PM
||- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 8 2007, 11:10 PM) T...   Jan 9 2007, 01:39 AM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 9 2007, 12:10 AM) T...   Jan 9 2007, 10:07 AM
||- - 4th rock from the sun   It's not just the news that are incorrect and ...   Jan 9 2007, 10:30 AM
|- - ynyralmaen   QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 8 2007, 11:51 PM) Unbeli...   Jan 9 2007, 12:01 AM
- - Sunspot   Quite a contrast the BBC online News report about ...   Jan 8 2007, 11:49 PM
- - nprev   Wow. I have to say that as an American I'm p...   Jan 9 2007, 01:48 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 9 2007, 02:48 AM) Wow....   Jan 9 2007, 02:21 AM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (climber @ Jan 9 2007, 03:21 AM) We...   Jan 9 2007, 09:48 AM
- - TheChemist   My latest Sunday newspaper included as a gift a Di...   Jan 9 2007, 12:59 PM
- - ngunn   Yes I saw that ridiculous dark matter report on BB...   Jan 9 2007, 01:32 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 9 2007, 01:32 PM) Yes ...   Jan 9 2007, 03:50 PM
||- - ngunn   QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 9 2007, 03:50 PM) Yep. I...   Jan 9 2007, 04:31 PM
|- - ynyralmaen   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 9 2007, 02:32 PM) ... ...   Jan 9 2007, 04:42 PM
- - ollopa   They've pulled it. However............ ........   Jan 9 2007, 04:42 PM
|- - AndyG   Thanks, Ollopa, for posting the link. I didn...   Jan 10 2007, 08:55 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (AndyG @ Jan 10 2007, 08:55 AM) I r...   Jan 10 2007, 09:12 AM
|- - karolp   Hello everyone, I must admit that I stopped wathc...   Jan 10 2007, 12:56 PM
- - Sunspot   The weird thing is, they must have deliberately pl...   Jan 9 2007, 05:33 PM
- - nprev   ...wow. Thanks for the clip, ollopa; now I fully u...   Jan 10 2007, 03:49 AM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 9 2007, 07:49 PM) ......   Jan 11 2007, 07:04 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   This one has always been one of my favorites:   Jan 10 2007, 04:00 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jan 10 2007, 10:00 A...   Jan 10 2007, 05:52 PM
|- - ynyralmaen   My favourite was in print, not on the telly... Th...   Jan 10 2007, 07:37 PM
- - nprev   You know, I'm still after all these years tr...   Jan 11 2007, 04:05 AM
- - edstrick   ".... just can't compete in the public...   Jan 11 2007, 12:29 PM
- - Ames   "Comet McNaught is passing close to the Sun, ...   Jan 11 2007, 01:10 PM
|- - MahFL   I just read that also and was going to post it. An...   Jan 11 2007, 03:05 PM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (Ames @ Jan 11 2007, 08:10 AM) ...   Jan 12 2007, 01:00 AM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (Ames @ Jan 11 2007, 05:10 AM) ...   Jan 12 2007, 04:19 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (mchan @ Jan 12 2007, 04:19 AM) Tha...   Jan 12 2007, 08:44 AM
- - nprev   Mchan: Sadly, I think that most of these guys thin...   Jan 12 2007, 04:42 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 12 2007, 04:42 AM) Mch...   Jan 12 2007, 06:33 PM
- - edstrick   "...A fav of mine is Pohl's The Space Mer...   Jan 12 2007, 11:19 AM
- - Stu   They replied to my complaint re the now infamous ...   Jan 12 2007, 11:28 AM
- - djellison   A total fob-off. The problem isn't that they ...   Jan 12 2007, 11:58 AM
|- - MahFL   Another one from Yahoo's slideshow.... ...   Jan 12 2007, 12:12 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (MahFL @ Jan 12 2007, 12:12 PM) Ano...   Jan 12 2007, 12:30 PM
- - edstrick   This "Streaker" is clad only in long flo...   Jan 12 2007, 01:41 PM
- - nprev   ...yeah, I'm convinced that Franky lacked the ...   Jan 12 2007, 07:27 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 12 2007, 07:27 PM) Pre...   Jan 19 2007, 12:35 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 19 2007, 01:35 PM)...   Jan 19 2007, 12:38 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 19 2007, 04:35 AM)...   Feb 9 2007, 02:25 PM
- - Steffen   Newspapers even get the basics wrong, adding the w...   Jan 19 2007, 12:29 PM
- - PhilCo126   Not Astronomy, but spaceflight this time ... On 2...   Jan 23 2007, 12:29 PM
- - Tesheiner   A local newspaper published this monday an article...   Jan 31 2007, 04:02 PM
- - djellison   You would expect space daily to do better than put...   Feb 9 2007, 01:19 PM
- - ngunn   Yes you would, but... Hands up anyone (other than...   Feb 9 2007, 01:38 PM
- - dvandorn   I have a slightly different issue to bring up, tho...   Feb 14 2007, 11:58 PM
- - nprev   Yeah...I've noticed that too. I think they...   Feb 15 2007, 12:14 AM
- - PhilCo126   Luckily there're some good programs around as ...   Feb 15 2007, 08:13 PM
- - John Flushing   QUOTE (As old as Voyager @ January 8th, 2007,...   Mar 1 2007, 03:16 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   This one's not TV but I though it deserved not...   May 23 2007, 04:39 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 23 2007, 05:39 A...   May 23 2007, 05:28 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   Here's a good one. I saved a pdf in the event...   Oct 3 2007, 09:59 PM
- - nprev   I was afraid of this. George Takei has cornered mo...   Oct 3 2007, 10:20 PM
- - edstrick   I keep hearing the news as the asteroid was RENAME...   Oct 5 2007, 09:52 AM
- - Stu   Don't know if any other UK viewers caught it, ...   Jan 4 2008, 06:31 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 4 2008, 07:31 AM) Wow, h...   Jan 4 2008, 07:03 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 4 2008, 06:31 AM) Don...   Jan 4 2008, 01:42 PM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 4 2008, 01:42 PM) ...   Jan 5 2008, 06:10 PM
- - Stu   Off topic a wee bit, I know, but doesn't seem ...   Jan 4 2008, 06:53 AM
- - nprev   I'm waiting to see what will happen if the pot...   Jan 5 2008, 06:23 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 5 2008, 07:23 PM) BTW,...   Apr 24 2008, 04:24 PM
|- - laurele   QUOTE (Stu @ Apr 24 2008, 12:24 PM) Resur...   Apr 24 2008, 05:47 PM
- - hendric   Will all the deep surveys going starting up, I...   Jan 6 2008, 04:09 AM
- - nprev   Oh, crap...dude, PLEASE no!!!! I...   Jan 6 2008, 04:31 AM
- - Stu   At first glance this is quite an amusing subject, ...   Jan 6 2008, 08:38 AM
- - nprev   ...thanks for the wake-up call, Stu. Did not reali...   Jan 6 2008, 02:13 PM
- - lyford   In my wild and impetuous youth I did this for my f...   Jan 6 2008, 06:27 PM
- - Stu   I try not to crush people when I tell them the tru...   Jan 6 2008, 07:44 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 6 2008, 11:44 AM) Still,...   Jan 6 2008, 08:31 PM
- - nprev   Hate to say it, but the continuing & widesprea...   Jan 6 2008, 08:46 PM
- - lyford   Good idea, nprev. You know I just realized the di...   Jan 6 2008, 09:50 PM
- - djellison   I know of a case where a family 'named a star...   Jan 6 2008, 10:00 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 6 2008, 10:00 PM) ...   Jan 6 2008, 11:32 PM
- - nprev   To say nothing of the embarassment once they reali...   Jan 7 2008, 12:27 AM
- - ollopa   Another cool project for Google, methinks. Since ...   Jan 7 2008, 01:12 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (ollopa @ Jan 7 2008, 01:12 AM) Ano...   Jan 7 2008, 10:38 AM
|- - akuo   QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 7 2008, 10:38 AM) The br...   Jan 7 2008, 11:51 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (akuo @ Jan 7 2008, 11:51 AM) Not s...   Jan 7 2008, 12:30 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 7 2008, 04:30 AM) Well, ...   Jan 7 2008, 12:49 PM
- - gndonald   Not really from the Television Media, but somethin...   Jan 12 2008, 03:19 PM
- - dvandorn   Reminds me of the only morbid chuckle I came acros...   Jan 12 2008, 05:10 PM
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- - ElkGroveDan   Avalanche Photographed on Mars By SPACE.com staff,...   Mar 4 2008, 06:32 AM
- - nprev   Dan, think I'd have to call that hilariously i...   Mar 4 2008, 06:42 AM
- - elakdawalla   um, nprev, I hate to say it, but I think Dan was r...   Mar 4 2008, 06:43 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 3 2008, 10:43 PM...   Mar 4 2008, 01:40 PM
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- - nprev   Why not? I'm certain that the IAU would put ...   Apr 25 2008, 12:21 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   I think it's a bad idea. Once you start bring...   Apr 25 2008, 02:17 AM
- - nprev   Hmmm...persuasive, Dan. I may be being naive abo...   Apr 25 2008, 02:52 AM
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