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fredk
post Aug 25 2007, 04:10 PM
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I think the return to driving deserves a new topic for Oppy. According to this new release, Oppy is back up to 300 Whrs, and had a small cleaning event! smile.gif

The release also gives a surprizing reason for the drive to the rim:
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One reason the rover team chose to drive Opportunity closer to the crater rim was to be prepared, if the pace of dust accumulation on the solar panels increases, to drive onto the inner slope of the crater. This would give the rover a sun-facing tilt to maximize daily energy supplies. The drive was also designed to check performance of the rover's mobility system, so it included a turn in place and a short drive backwards.
That explains why they drove to this point on the rim - if they enter they'll face south, as it's still southern summer.
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post Sep 1 2007, 01:00 AM
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I understand you're teasing, Brian, but, just for the record...

Dust devils are very specific weather phenomenah. The definition requires the formation of vortical wind structures large and energetic enough to raise surface dust into the air. Dust devils, again by definition, are visible as funnel-like or rope-like structures due to the dust entrained in their vortical structures.

Dust devils do not leave broad fan-like surface markings -- they tend to leave sinuous, worm-like tracks which do not vary in width by more than 20% to 30% along their lengths. The dust streaks emanating from Victoria begin at wind-stricture points along the crater wall and fan out to be several hundred percent wider by the time they fade to invisibility.

Calling every erosional or depositional wind event on Mars a dust devil is like calling any energetic wind event on Earth a tornado. It's an extremely poor, misleading, and just plain incorrect use of the term.

All that said, I'm really not as anal about this as it sounds. I just want to state the case clearly, and hopefully establish a level of terminology use on the forum that maintains us at an "impressively high level."

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post Sep 2 2007, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 31 2007, 06:00 PM) *
I understand you're teasing, Brian, but, just for the record...

Dust devils are very specific weather phenomenah. The definition requires the formation of vortical wind structures large and energetic enough to raise surface dust into the air. Dust devils, again by definition, are visible as funnel-like or rope-like structures due to the dust entrained in their vortical structures.

Dust devils do not leave broad fan-like surface markings -- they tend to leave sinuous, worm-like tracks which do not vary in width by more than 20% to 30% along their lengths. The dust streaks emanating from Victoria begin at wind-stricture points along the crater wall and fan out to be several hundred percent wider by the time they fade to invisibility.

Calling every erosional or depositional wind event on Mars a dust devil is like calling any energetic wind event on Earth a tornado. It's an extremely poor, misleading, and just plain incorrect use of the term.

All that said, I'm really not as anal about this as it sounds. I just want to state the case clearly, and hopefully establish a level of terminology use on the forum that maintains us at an "impressively high level."

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I agree with your sentiment about establishing a high level of dialog.

By websters definition of dust devil - a small whirlwind containing sand or dust - it doesn't have to be very big. My major point from above is that not having evidence does not exclude dust devils as the causative agent. Our ability to monitor the wind activity in Meridiani is almost zero. The fact that we don't see surface prints could be due to the sensitivity of our instruments or that they just don't leave a visible trail. Dust devils on earth don't always leave a trail. That we haven't spotted any with the rovers may establish a upper limit on their frequencey but doesn't rule them out.

We've become very familiar with the behemoths that leave visible trails from space. This isn't necessarily the norm. I still am in the not very likely camp. I just don't see that it's been established that there is no D D activity in Meridiani.

I will concede that we shouldn't be calling phenomenon by the wrong name.
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- fredk   Back to work   Aug 25 2007, 04:10 PM
- - Sunspot   No more messing about on the rim or the plains, I ...   Aug 25 2007, 08:51 PM
- - fredk   New nav/pancam imagery peering over the rim into t...   Aug 26 2007, 04:11 PM
|- - gallen_53   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 26 2007, 04:11 PM) It ...   Aug 29 2007, 07:12 PM
|- - Malmer   QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Aug 29 2007, 09:12 PM)...   Aug 29 2007, 07:20 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Aug 29 2007, 02:12 PM)...   Aug 30 2007, 02:46 AM
|- - gallen_53   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 30 2007, 02:46 AM) ...   Aug 30 2007, 11:06 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 29 2007, 10:46 PM) ...   Aug 31 2007, 01:26 AM
|- - Edward Schmitz   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 29 2007, 07:46 PM) ...   Aug 31 2007, 09:44 PM
- - Tesheiner   These new set of images was part of the usual ...   Aug 26 2007, 08:54 PM
- - fredk   Some new images down, pointed at the sky, presumab...   Aug 28 2007, 05:20 PM
- - fredk   And some news from New Scientist:QUOTE Opportunity...   Aug 28 2007, 06:31 PM
- - Tesheiner   Opportunity drove a little bit tosol (1278). One m...   Aug 29 2007, 12:48 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Aug 29 2007, 12:48 PM)...   Nov 12 2007, 09:19 PM
- - Tman   It seems we have only to wait for a (safe) rise of...   Aug 29 2007, 02:17 PM
- - Edward Schmitz   There have been several instance of dust collectin...   Aug 29 2007, 10:32 PM
- - CosmicRocker   I like the "back to work" concept. Thin...   Aug 30 2007, 04:53 AM
- - fredk   Thanks for the template, Rocker, I'm sure I...   Aug 30 2007, 03:29 PM
- - Pavel   Wouldn't dust devil tracks be visible in Merid...   Aug 31 2007, 10:41 PM
|- - BrianL   Except for those really large dark tracks away fro...   Aug 31 2007, 11:48 PM
- - dvandorn   I understand you're teasing, Brian, but, just ...   Sep 1 2007, 01:00 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 31 2007, 05:00 PM) ...   Sep 1 2007, 04:12 PM
|- - Edward Schmitz   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 31 2007, 06:00 PM) ...   Sep 2 2007, 08:43 PM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Sep 2 2007, 09:53 A...   Sep 2 2007, 05:19 PM
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- - Tesheiner   > I hope it'll be one of the last view of t...   Sep 5 2007, 09:54 AM
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|- - ustrax   I'll answer myself... SS revealed me the sec...   Sep 5 2007, 03:17 PM
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- - ElkGroveDan   Very cool Stu. Thanks   Sep 6 2007, 07:08 PM
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|- - fredk   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Sep 6 2007, 08:59 PM) ...   Sep 7 2007, 12:46 AM
- - Stu   Loving this view...   Sep 6 2007, 11:41 PM
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- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 6 2007, 06:41 PM) Loving...   Sep 7 2007, 05:43 AM
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|- - SpaceListener   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Sep 7 2007, 05:41 AM) ...   Sep 7 2007, 06:43 PM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Sep 7 2007, 11:41 AM) ...   Sep 8 2007, 09:32 AM
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|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (AndyG @ Sep 7 2007, 02:38 PM) No d...   Sep 7 2007, 02:43 PM
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- - hortonheardawho   You are correct fredk. If you look at the two se...   Sep 8 2007, 11:29 PM
- - hortonheardawho   Spirit / Oppy miniTES mirror comparison: Althou...   Sep 9 2007, 12:52 AM
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|- - djellison   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Sep 9 2007, 05:05 A...   Sep 9 2007, 08:26 AM
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