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post Feb 10 2006, 10:18 PM
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Sunspot, NM (Feb. 7, 2006) -- The planet Venus is best known for the thick layers of clouds that veil its surface from view by telescopes on Earth. But the veil has holes, and a New Mexico State University scientist plans on using a solar telescope to peer through them to study the weather on Venus.

"Observations of Venus from a nighttime telescope at a single location are very difficult because Venus is so close to the Sun in the sky," said Dr. Nancy Chanover, a planetary scientist at NMSU in Las Cruces, NM. "You can observe it for about two hours at most." Then the Sun rises and blinds the telescope (or Venus sets, depending on the time of year).

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Phil Stooke
post Feb 11 2006, 05:25 PM
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Ted said "My guess is that since Venus was featureless from Earth, they reasoned that, given the crude electronic imaging of the 1960s, the images would be embarassingly blank."

I think he's right. Also, there was still in those days a strong bias against imaging from the 'sky scientists' (see Don Wilhelms' great book 'To a Rocky Moon'). Why transmit a million bytes for one fuzzy image when a thousand measurements of the magnetic field, plasma and particles would tell you so much more? People had to fight to fly cameras. That seems strange to us now, but we are talking about a period when the value of images for geological study had not been fully demonstrated - Shoemaker and others at USGS were doing it, but the work was still not fully accepted outside their group.

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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 11 2006, 05:25 PM)
Ted said "My guess is that since Venus was featureless from Earth, they reasoned that, given the crude electronic imaging of the 1960s, the images would be embarassingly blank."

I think he's right.  Also, there was still in those days a strong bias against imaging from the 'sky scientists' (see Don Wilhelms' great book 'To a Rocky Moon').  Why transmit a million bytes for one fuzzy image when a thousand measurements of the magnetic field, plasma and particles would tell you so much more?  People had to fight to fly cameras.  That seems strange to us now, but we are talking about a period when the value of images for geological study had not been fully demonstrated - Shoemaker and others at USGS were doing it, but the work was still not fully accepted outside their group.

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On the scientist end, this is definitely a factor. With moon and Mars missions, such as Luna-3 and Mariner-4, the propaganda factor of having images no doubt tilted the tables, but for Venus, the prospect of images that wouldn't be cause for bragging rights allowed the "sky scientist" faction to dominate.


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- ljk4-1   Venus Science   Feb 10 2006, 10:18 PM
- - PhilCo126   Well on the subject of ' early ' missions ...   Feb 11 2006, 04:02 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Feb 11 2006, 04:02 PM)Well...   Feb 11 2006, 04:47 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Ted said "My guess is that since Venus was fe...   Feb 11 2006, 05:25 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 11 2006, 05:25 PM)Te...   Feb 11 2006, 05:46 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   In the case of Mariner 1 & 2, there was never ...   Feb 12 2006, 06:40 AM
- - edstrick   I'd have to dig in "the stacks", but...   Feb 12 2006, 08:36 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I remember that -- it was indeed a letter in ...   Feb 12 2006, 08:52 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Andrew Lepage wrote about Zond 2 in the April, 199...   Feb 13 2006, 06:43 AM
|- - Gsnorgathon   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 13 2006, 06:43 A...   Feb 13 2006, 05:38 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Feb 13 2006, 05:38 P...   Feb 13 2006, 06:50 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 13 2006, 01:50 PM) ...   Feb 13 2006, 07:38 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 13 2006, 07:38 P...   Feb 13 2006, 09:00 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 13 2006, 06:43 A...   Feb 13 2006, 09:16 AM
- - edstrick   Something in my infinitely long list of "woul...   Feb 13 2006, 10:15 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I knew some (but not all) of what Ed Strick says a...   Feb 13 2006, 10:37 PM
- - edstrick   The soviets immediately <speculatively> blam...   Feb 14 2006, 09:52 AM
- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 10 2006, 05:18 P...   Feb 14 2006, 04:35 PM
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|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Julius @ Apr 13 2006, 05:28 PM) My...   Apr 14 2006, 11:43 PM
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|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 5 2006, 02:37 A...   May 5 2006, 06:37 AM
- - edstrick   I don't know the exact modelling based on Vene...   Apr 14 2006, 09:30 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Venus has both a much greater mass than Mars (abou...   Apr 14 2006, 07:01 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 14 2006, 02:01 P...   Apr 14 2006, 07:55 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I've often wondered about that, too. The only...   May 6 2006, 03:34 AM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 5 2006, 08:34 PM...   May 6 2006, 03:55 AM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 6 2006, 03:55 A...   May 6 2006, 05:11 AM
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|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 14 2006, 09:11 A...   Jun 14 2006, 05:08 PM
- - DonPMitchell   Here's a Venus map I put together for my solar...   Jun 14 2006, 05:37 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Nice, Don. My map is a composite of two datasets ...   Jun 14 2006, 06:07 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 14 2006, 11:07 A...   Jun 14 2006, 08:10 PM
- - Phil Stooke   The relief I used, from Pigwad, does have those st...   Jun 14 2006, 08:51 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 14 2006, 01:51 P...   Jun 15 2006, 02:47 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Very nice map, JRehling Phil   Jun 15 2006, 06:12 PM
- - DonPMitchell   Yes, that's a nice projection.   Jun 15 2006, 06:39 PM
- - ljk4-1   Part V: Astrobiology Sympathy for the Devil: The ...   Jun 19 2006, 07:33 PM
- - Sunspot   http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/d...an-th...   Nov 2 2006, 10:00 AM
- - cndwrld   Excellent Ground-Based Venus Images At http://www...   Mar 27 2007, 09:43 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (cndwrld @ Mar 27 2007, 02:43 AM) E...   Mar 27 2007, 03:41 PM
- - J.J.   WOW!!! Those are far and away the...   Mar 27 2007, 06:55 PM
|- - tedstryk   Check out these images I came across. Looks almos...   Apr 9 2007, 07:58 PM
|- - JRehling   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18040861/ New picture...   Apr 10 2007, 08:41 PM
- - elakdawalla   Those are the four that were released a couple wee...   Apr 10 2007, 08:45 PM
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- - cndwrld   Movies of Venus' South Pole Vortex The ESA sc...   May 7 2007, 03:03 PM
- - cndwrld   Another set of ground-based images of Venus has no...   Jun 20 2007, 03:20 PM


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