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 May 14 2009, 06:04 PM
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Happy day for space-borne astronomy!
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 May 14 2009, 06:40 PM
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Indeed Ted, fingers crossed the trip to L2 point goes well... Amazing to see how, from a launch vehicle weighing 777 Tons, about 5.5 Tons will make a great difference for space borne astronomy
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May 14 2009, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (SFJCody @ May 14 2009, 11:50 AM)  It's great isn't it! I remember how much jeering there was after the unfortunate failure of the maiden launch carrying Cluster. They're not laughing now! Well, the schadenfreude probably had more to do with the hubris of putting a payload on the maiden launch, and the spectacular nature of the failure, than it had to do with failure itself being unusual, or with people finding anything to jeer about watching a valuable payload disappear. Yes, it may not have been unprecedented to launch a payload on a first flight, but in hindsight it certainly didn't look prudent. I don't think that people necessarily expected the failures to continue. Fair characterization or not, it sort of would be like Boeing inviting a few VIPs onto the 787's first flight and having it crash. The crash is bad, but having an important payload on it compounded it. I guess it wasn't irreplacable. If it were the US, it'd have been some "spare" huge recon sat. |
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May 14 2009, 09:14 PM
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As someone whose research post disappeared in an admittedly very pretty puff of smoke in 1996, I agree that it wasn't very prudent to put Cluster on that particular launcher! One important part of the decision to do so was the very economical price of the launch, but clearly it was a false economy.
It was very galling to discover the very avoidable cause of the loss, and then to take delivery of the returned, dented, mud-covered instruments a few weeks later. Valuable lessons were learnt that will hopefully help prevent anything similar happening again. Cluster II has of course been a huge success, and is still going strong... |
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May 14 2009, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (ynyralmaen @ May 14 2009, 11:14 PM) I agree that it wasn't very prudent to put Cluster on that particular launcher! That's hindsight and it's easy to make conclusions now. I'd argue it was as prudent a decision back then as it would be now. The Cluster team had to be aware of the risks involved in the decision to fly on a new and untested vehicle and they still went ahead with it. It doesn't really matter how stupid or avoidable a failure is in retrospect, it's always those unknowns that get you. Hopefully you learn something from your mistakes along the way. -------------------- |
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May 14 2009, 09:42 PM
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Belated congrats to ESA & our European friends on the successful launch! Naturally, I was at the doctor all morning & missed it.
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May 15 2009, 01:35 PM
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May 15 2009, 03:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1101 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 530 |
Herschel has a VMC? Full globe images!
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May 15 2009, 07:23 PM
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I hope ESOC can muscle their way in to get a few VMC images in there during cruise.
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May 15 2009, 09:53 PM
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Wouldn't any such pictures of the Earth be blinded by the Sun? I thought Herschel was supposed to go to L2, right? Now, we could get some potentially nice pictures of the moon, but the viewing angle on that camera looked fairly wide.
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Jun 19 2009, 11:57 AM
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Jun 19 2009, 12:49 PM
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Very nice. Big mirrors in space
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Jul 10 2009, 10:15 AM
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.. and we have pictures...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8143447.stm .. and... http://herschel.esac.esa.int/FirstLight.shtml
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Oct 8 2009, 01:21 PM
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Hi !
I've been reading UMSF for some time... and I couldn't resist posting this http://herschel.esac.esa.int/FirstParallelModeImages.shtml First observations of our Milky Way in SPIRE/PACS parallel mode reveal cold material structures with unprecedented detail. |
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Oct 18 2009, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (Thomas Lesinski @ Oct 8 2009, 01:21 PM) First observations of our Milky Way in SPIRE/PACS parallel mode reveal cold material structures with unprecedented detail. Beautiful image but seems a little blurry, sharpened version reveal lot of details indeed!
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