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InSight Cruise Phase, Events during Mars transit prior to EDL
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post May 8 2018, 05:35 AM
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Hey again, everyone. This thread will be for discussion of anything that happens between now & landing day, currently 26 Nov US Pacific time (UTC-8 hrs during that part of the year).


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post Nov 23 2018, 04:09 PM
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For the Google Mars community, here is a KMZ file with InSight's landing ellipse.

Unfortunately, Google Mars does not have any CTX registered for this area, so I suggest going to GE's left panel and in the Layers section, select under Global Maps the Daytime Infrared. This is the base map appearing, for instance, in landing ellipse image contained in the press kit.

To install the file, download it to your favorite location and double click it. This should startup Google Earth, if not already opened, and initiate a switch to Google Mars (a pop-up will display). The globe should automatically rotate and position itself over the ellipse area. Acknowledgements, credits, and a short explanation are available on the file's help panel. To get to the panel select the file's name on GE's Places panel.

The ellipse is approximated by a 180-sided polygon. I'd welcome information on any errors that may exist.
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Attached File  InSight.kmz ( 4.74K ) Number of downloads: 244

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post Nov 23 2018, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (nogal @ Nov 23 2018, 05:09 PM) *
For the Google Mars community


Damn! blink.gif
If just you'd remebered me before about existence of Google Earth, I could have set up something better than this.... blink.gif
I totally forgot that I can create animations in google earth!
This is the Phoenix EDL:
http://win98.altervista.org/space/explorat...Phoenix-EDL.kmz

It's even possibile to make the marker shape change depending on altitude, and shift whole trajectory to Insight site (just for fun, it's a simulator)... but I think it would require more time than remaining time to the event. :-(

In case anybody has time/wish to help, this is the source code which converts EDL data into KML format:
http://win98.altervista.org/space/explorat...t/crea-EDL.html

Data are here:
http://win98.altervista.org/space/explorat...ht/js/coords.js

Taken as usual from PHXPROFILES.TAB .

This line gets one sample every 200 to make things faster; change "200" to "1" for a realtime animation:
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    for (index = 0; index <= latLonAlt.length-1; index += 200) {
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post Nov 24 2018, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 23 2018, 06:58 PM) *
Damn! blink.gif
If just you'd remebered me before about existence of Google Earth, I could have set up something better than this.... blink.gif
I totally forgot that I can create animations in google earth!


Here it is, quick and dirty, using Phoenix's EDL data (rotated and re-centered). You have to play with the slider controls to see the full path. Maybe I'll polish it latter but right now it is way past my shuteye time. Cheers

Fernando

Attached File  InSight_EDL_Sim.kmz ( 11.12K ) Number of downloads: 300

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post Nov 24 2018, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE (nogal @ Nov 24 2018, 03:23 AM) *
Here it is, quick and dirty, using Phoenix's EDL data (rotated and re-centered). You have to play with the slider controls to see the full path. Maybe I'll polish it latter but right now it is way past my shuteye time. Cheers

Fernando

Attached File  InSight_EDL_Sim.kmz ( 11.12K ) Number of downloads: 300

Cool.
We should also find a method to:
- make a real time video (Google Earth settings do not allow a speed lower than "10 seconds per second")
- make markers representing different phases of the landing (I have the images, I have tocleanup them and see if I can make their background transparent)
- add camera orientation to each point to create kind of a movie centered on lander

In the meantime, I have to finish the other simulator.

All in around 55h. huh.gif blink.gif


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It doesn't actually matter. The s/c will be swinging backwards and forwards under the parachute. It's 'angle of attack' isn't really a thing any more. The s/c uses the IMU at this point to interpret RADAR data, but the actual angle really doesn't matter.

The point is: if you are going to land on Mars (not "generic you", but you nprev or djellison), wouldn't you like to know in advance how your spaceship/spacecraft/aircraft/whatelse will be oriented during final descent? I would. All this EDLs have to be (also) interpreted as test for future manned landings, but we currently don't know anything about lander attitude between parachute deployment and landing.
Additionally, an error in merging and crossprocessing radar data and IMU data by GNC caused fatal failure of Exomars 2016, so design needs a little improvement for this phase, IMHO.

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- nprev   InSight Cruise Phase   May 8 2018, 05:35 AM
- - Tycho   Just to put it in my calendar: Is it possible to a...   May 10 2018, 08:27 PM
- - Phil Stooke   hasty reply deleted! Phil   May 10 2018, 08:41 PM
- - mcaplinger   Press kit says Nov. 26, 2018, about noon PST (3 p....   May 10 2018, 09:25 PM
- - nprev   Just out of curiosity <rimshot>, how much co...   May 11 2018, 12:01 AM
- - djellison   The TCMs between now and entry are not only design...   May 11 2018, 12:25 AM
- - nprev   Got it, and thanks for the great details, Doug. So...   May 11 2018, 03:49 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (nprev @ May 10 2018, 08:49 PM) A b...   May 11 2018, 05:10 AM
- - Explorer1   There is a bit of margin in terms of inclement wea...   May 11 2018, 04:13 AM
- - djellison   A shift in when to deploy the parachute.....but no...   May 11 2018, 05:06 AM
- - nprev   Rocketcam video of launch and spacecraft separatio...   May 11 2018, 07:14 PM
|- - Explorer1   QUOTE (nprev @ May 11 2018, 02:14 PM) Roc...   May 11 2018, 08:02 PM
|- - Decepticon   QUOTE (nprev @ May 11 2018, 02:14 PM) Roc...   May 14 2018, 04:17 AM
- - Explorer1   No, it was released a few days later.   May 14 2018, 02:09 PM
- - Explorer1   First light from the cubesats: https://www.jpl.nas...   May 16 2018, 05:01 AM
- - propguy   TCM1 was completed 5/22 (yeah!). Press rele...   May 24 2018, 07:00 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (propguy @ May 24 2018, 08:00 PM) T...   May 25 2018, 12:53 AM
- - nprev   Music to our ears, Propguy; thank you!!...   May 25 2018, 12:42 AM
- - Explorer1   The cubesats have done their TCMs as well ( https:...   Jun 2 2018, 12:23 AM
- - PaulH51   InSight's Inner Sanctum Revealed (PIA22647): T...   Aug 21 2018, 01:13 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Do we know anything yet about the image release po...   Oct 24 2018, 02:00 AM
|- - MahFL   Any news on Insight being updated on Eyes, so we c...   Oct 26 2018, 12:09 AM
||- - djellison   QUOTE (MahFL @ Oct 25 2018, 04:09 PM) Any...   Oct 28 2018, 03:02 PM
||- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (MahFL @ Oct 26 2018, 01:09 AM) Any...   Oct 29 2018, 02:49 PM
|- - Hungry4info   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Oct 23 2018, 08:00 P...   Oct 26 2018, 01:10 AM
- - Explorer1   InSight press conference on now, everything with t...   Oct 31 2018, 06:07 PM
- - mcmcmc   Insight will have same EDL profile of Phoenix, so ...   Nov 7 2018, 07:07 PM
|- - propguy   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 7 2018, 01:07 PM) Not...   Nov 9 2018, 09:11 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (propguy @ Nov 9 2018, 10:11 PM) so...   Nov 13 2018, 01:16 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 13 2018, 05:16 AM) Do...   Nov 13 2018, 03:22 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 13 2018, 04:22 PM...   Nov 13 2018, 03:40 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 13 2018, 07:40 AM) .....   Nov 13 2018, 04:03 PM
|- - propguy   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 13 2018, 08:40 AM) He...   Nov 13 2018, 04:22 PM
- - mcmcmc   Not exactly "realtime telemetries", but ...   Nov 14 2018, 05:42 PM
- - mcmcmc   Any chance that data used to plot charts in this d...   Nov 16 2018, 01:24 PM
- - mcmcmc   Well I eventually found something. They're onl...   Nov 16 2018, 02:42 PM
- - mcaplinger   There are SPICE predict files at https://naif.jpl....   Nov 16 2018, 04:09 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 16 2018, 05:09 PM...   Nov 17 2018, 09:59 AM
- - mcmcmc   Damn... How do I calculate/find SpeedX, SpeedY and...   Nov 17 2018, 10:37 AM
- - mcaplinger   Presumably you are still seeing the rotation rate ...   Nov 17 2018, 10:34 PM
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|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 18 2018, 01:24 AM...   Nov 18 2018, 07:36 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 18 2018, 11:36 AM) To...   Nov 18 2018, 08:06 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 18 2018, 09:06 PM...   Nov 18 2018, 09:52 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 18 2018, 01:52 PM) yo...   Nov 18 2018, 10:55 PM
||- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 18 2018, 11:55 PM...   Nov 19 2018, 10:25 AM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 18 2018, 09:06 PM...   Nov 19 2018, 03:21 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 19 2018, 07:21 AM) An...   Nov 19 2018, 03:48 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 19 2018, 04:48 PM...   Nov 19 2018, 09:17 PM
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||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (propguy @ Nov 19 2018, 04:38 PM) A...   Nov 20 2018, 04:16 AM
||- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (propguy @ Nov 20 2018, 01:38 AM) L...   Nov 20 2018, 10:02 AM
|||- - propguy   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 20 2018, 03:02 AM) Go...   Nov 20 2018, 07:53 PM
|||- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (propguy @ Nov 20 2018, 08:53 PM) F...   Nov 20 2018, 10:07 PM
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|||- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 20 2018, 11:41 PM)...   Nov 21 2018, 12:45 PM
||- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (propguy @ Nov 19 2018, 04:38 PM) O...   Nov 21 2018, 04:41 AM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 19 2018, 04:48 PM...   Nov 20 2018, 10:08 AM
- - nprev   Thanks for the insight (rimshot!) as always, P...   Nov 20 2018, 02:39 AM
- - RoverDriver   Going Down, Jeff Beck "Well I'm going do...   Nov 20 2018, 07:08 AM
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|- - Paolo   QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Nov 21 2018, 04:32 AM) O...   Nov 21 2018, 05:54 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Nov 21 2018, 03:32 AM) D...   Nov 21 2018, 10:48 AM
||- - PaulH51   QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 21 2018, 06:48 PM) The...   Nov 21 2018, 11:11 AM
||- - Explorer1   QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Nov 21 2018, 06:11 AM) F...   Nov 21 2018, 02:28 PM
||- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Nov 21 2018, 12:11 PM) F...   Nov 21 2018, 02:48 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Nov 20 2018, 07:32 PM) D...   Nov 21 2018, 04:27 PM
|- - PaulH51   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 22 2018, 12:27 AM)...   Nov 21 2018, 11:47 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Nov 21 2018, 03:47 PM) F...   Nov 22 2018, 01:49 AM
|- - PaulH51   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 22 2018, 09:49 AM)...   Nov 22 2018, 03:19 AM
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|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (dmuller @ Nov 21 2018, 12:05 PM) m...   Nov 21 2018, 12:57 PM
- - mcmcmc   Can anybody help? I found this description: QUOTE ...   Nov 21 2018, 02:46 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 21 2018, 03:46 PM) .....   Nov 21 2018, 05:18 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 21 2018, 06:18 PM) Ma...   Nov 22 2018, 07:59 AM
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|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 22 2018, 10:15 PM) Pa...   Nov 23 2018, 09:44 AM
- - mcmcmc   Just to better know what Insight is about to face:...   Nov 23 2018, 02:08 PM
- - nogal   For the Google Mars community, here is a KMZ file ...   Nov 23 2018, 04:09 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (nogal @ Nov 23 2018, 05:09 PM) For...   Nov 23 2018, 06:58 PM
|- - nogal   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 23 2018, 06:58 PM) Da...   Nov 24 2018, 02:23 AM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (nogal @ Nov 24 2018, 03:23 AM) Her...   Nov 24 2018, 12:04 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 24 2018, 04:04 AM) wo...   Nov 24 2018, 03:33 PM
||- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 24 2018, 04:33 PM)...   Nov 24 2018, 03:43 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 24 2018, 04:04 AM) Th...   Nov 24 2018, 03:34 PM
- - nprev   I believe that angle of attack information after c...   Nov 23 2018, 08:20 PM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 23 2018, 09:20 PM) I b...   Nov 23 2018, 08:37 PM
- - djellison   It doesn't actually matter. The s/c will be s...   Nov 23 2018, 10:02 PM
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- - mcmcmc   Simulator is eventually finished: I cleaned it up,...   Nov 24 2018, 03:30 PM
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