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Size Comparism Of The Moons Of The Gas Planets, Moon Systems of the gas giants compared
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post Nov 15 2005, 12:10 AM
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A copyright recognizes any significant value added to an intellectual property.

In the case here, spaceffm put together some very nice comparison murals. But *if* the work of scaling the images so that they were in proper scale to each other was done by someone else (especially by someone who took out a copyright, not on the images, but on the work he did to adjust each image to the proper scale), and *then* spaceffm claimed that he did the work to accurately scale the images, he would be making a false claim. It would be trying to take credit for someone else's work -- work that the someone else spent enough time and energy on, and added enough value to the images' presentations by doing the scaling calculations and manipulating the images accordingly, that he felt the value he added was worthy of its own copyright.

So, if spaceffm were to produce paper copies of these murals and sell them, or even if he were to insist on being credited if the murals were shown elsewhere on the Internet, the issue a copyright court would consider would be whether or not spaceffm had added any significant value to the images, as manipulated and copyrighted by Tayfun Oner. If spaceffm could prove that he did all the work to scale and manipulate all the images in his own murals, then he would win the suit. Just because Oner had made such scaled images doesn't preclude anyone else from doing it -- as long as they do the work and don't just use Oner's pre-scaled images without attribution. However, if all spaceffm did was re-arrange the elements of similar comparison murals made by Oner, without actually doing any of the scaling and image manipulation itself, then he would lose the suit.

In fact, even if spaceffm did almost all of the scaling himself, if he used even *one* pre-scaled image taken from someone else's work and deliberately passed it off as his own work, he would lose the suit.

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- spaceffm   Size Comparism Of The Moons Of The Gas Planets   Nov 15 2005, 12:10 AM
- - David   Nice. I see you squeezed Mars, Pluto and Charon i...   Nov 15 2005, 12:23 AM
- - Decepticon   Excellent work! I've been wanted images l...   Nov 15 2005, 08:23 PM
- - deglr6328   Ohhhh nice! Would you consider releasing...   Nov 15 2005, 08:30 PM
|- - tedstryk   Well, considering several of these images are from...   Nov 15 2005, 11:00 PM
- - deglr6328   Tayfun Oner? Ugh, copyrighting these probe images ...   Nov 15 2005, 11:31 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 15 2005, 11:31 PM)Tayf...   Nov 15 2005, 11:40 PM
- - tasp   If this post is deemed not on topic for the thread...   Nov 16 2005, 02:31 AM
- - Decepticon   RE: Size Comparism Of The Moons Of The Gas Planets   Nov 17 2005, 01:13 PM
- - Toma B   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 17 2005, 01:40 PM)Let m...   Nov 17 2005, 01:27 PM
|- - dvandorn   Yeah -- insisting you're in the clear because ...   Nov 17 2005, 02:23 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Toma B @ Nov 17 2005, 01:27 PM)Just a ...   Nov 17 2005, 04:32 PM
- - mike   It seems odd to me too to copyright something as s...   Nov 17 2005, 04:07 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (mike @ Nov 17 2005, 04:07 PM)It seems ...   Nov 17 2005, 04:33 PM
- - dvandorn   A copyright recognizes any significant value added...   Nov 17 2005, 04:52 PM
|- - tedstryk   I was referring to the image processing - coloring...   Nov 17 2005, 05:16 PM
- - elakdawalla   Hey, now, let's all play nice while Doug is aw...   Nov 17 2005, 05:03 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 17 2005, 05:03 PM)I...   Nov 17 2005, 05:31 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 17 2005, 09:03 AM)Wh...   Nov 17 2005, 10:35 PM
- - Toma B   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 17 2005, 07:32 PM)I am ...   Nov 17 2005, 05:33 PM
- - dvandorn   And believe me, I was simply proposing a what-if a...   Nov 17 2005, 06:23 PM
- - deglr6328   Oh goodness, now look what I've gone and done ...   Nov 17 2005, 08:44 PM
- - Bill Harris   Great discussion on copyright and intellectual pro...   Nov 17 2005, 09:01 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Maybe we could recover this thread by actually mak...   Nov 17 2005, 10:13 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 17 2005, 03:13 PM)Ma...   Nov 18 2005, 12:25 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE A whole series is needed, really... I...   Nov 17 2005, 10:34 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Nov 17 2005, 02:34 PM)I...   Nov 17 2005, 10:43 PM
|- - JRehling   Here is a scale diagram of the satellite orbital d...   Nov 19 2005, 09:52 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Solor Sytsem? Ooops! Bob Shaw   Nov 19 2005, 01:13 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 19 2005, 09:52 AM)Here ...   Nov 19 2005, 04:12 PM
|- - tedstryk   I have been searching and haven't found much i...   Nov 29 2005, 06:44 PM
- - Phillip   These are wonderful posts! Here is a link to ...   Nov 18 2005, 01:56 AM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (Phillip @ Nov 17 2005, 06:56 PM)Sorry ...   Nov 18 2005, 02:10 AM
|- - tedstryk   Great work! Both to Emily and spaceffm.   Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM
- - dvandorn   First off, thanks to Phillip for his insightful re...   Nov 18 2005, 06:51 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 18 2005, 07:51 AM)You c...   Nov 18 2005, 07:35 AM
- - lyford   OMG??!@?# These images are so incredibly bea...   Nov 18 2005, 08:11 AM
- - Bill Harris   I always had a mental image of the Galilean satell...   Nov 18 2005, 08:38 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Nov 18 2005, 08:38 AM)I ...   Nov 18 2005, 10:09 AM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (David @ Nov 18 2005, 03:09 AM)Well, th...   Nov 18 2005, 03:47 PM
|- - jski423   Here have some fun with these. Since the only pu...   Nov 18 2005, 06:36 PM
- - Toma B   QUOTE (jski423 @ Nov 18 2005, 09:36 PM)Since ...   Nov 18 2005, 07:09 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Toma B @ Nov 18 2005, 07:09 PM)OK...   Nov 18 2005, 08:42 PM
||- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 18 2005, 01:42 PM)I kno...   Nov 18 2005, 09:18 PM
||- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 18 2005, 04:18 PM)I ...   Nov 18 2005, 09:40 PM
|- - jski423   QUOTE (Toma B @ Nov 18 2005, 08:09 PM)OK...   Nov 18 2005, 10:39 PM
- - mike   I'd like to give thanks to everyone who has pu...   Nov 18 2005, 08:14 PM
- - Patteroast   Wow, that little orbit comparison reminded me of s...   Nov 29 2005, 08:17 PM
- - Gsnorgathon   Say - not to drag things off topic here - and it...   Nov 30 2005, 12:23 AM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Nov 29 2005, 04:23 PM)Sa...   Nov 30 2005, 01:00 AM
- - Gsnorgathon   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 30 2005, 01:00 AM)FWIW,...   Nov 30 2005, 01:38 AM


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