Water oceans on mars?, Images of different water oceans on mars based on MGS MOLA instrument. |
Water oceans on mars?, Images of different water oceans on mars based on MGS MOLA instrument. |
Mar 17 2006, 09:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
Also the images clearly show a one-time short event. A smaller flow working for a long time can form a large valley, but this valley shows meanders and a narrow bed (Like in France the lower Seine valley), not sand banks the width of the valley. Thanks Richard for your reply: That part has convinced me. The surge does not make meander rivers. That is a good hit. About the narrow bed at the bottom of the river, it is relative, since it might depends upon to the surface varying resistance to the erosion. About the sand bank, I agree about this, the sand bank is mostly correlated with the amount of flow water. The good examples are the comparision between the Amazon and Nilo deltas. Rodolfo |
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Mar 17 2006, 09:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2488 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Glasgow, Scotland, UK Member No.: 239 |
So I still maintain that these formations were created by huge water surges, maybe muddy, or boiling with carbon dioxyd, but not by a continuous small river. This is the mystery. Richard: The 'scabland' erosion was, indeed, dramatic, and may well have been more-or-less one-off; but there *are* images showing clear evidence of repeated flows with classic river erosion structures, too. Granted, these are on a more 'normal' scale! Bob Shaw -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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Mar 17 2006, 01:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 688 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Sweden Member No.: 273 |
I have just completed a fun little afternoon project. I have long been looking for what an ocean on mars would look like for different amounts of water - preferably with a movie for many different ocean heights. So after not finding it ever, I did it myself today: http://magnus.infidyne.com/mars/water/ The actual surface of seas on Mars wouldn't be "flat" though. Here on Earth the sea surface varies almost 200 meters with respect to an ellipsoid (see: http://kiska.giseis.alaska.edu/input/west/...ace_and_geoid/) On Mars the geoid (areoid) is even more irregular (ca 1000 meter), particularly around the the Tharsis bulge and the Hellas basin. To get a true map of shorelines you should drape the "water" over the areoid rather than the topography and then superimpose the result on a topographic map. Areoid maps are avalable from the PDS. tty |
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Mar 17 2006, 04:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
The Wikipedia section on Terraforming:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming Has two artworks of Mars if it had oceans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mars_Terra.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Terrafo...ars_3_stage.jpg -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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