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Aug 17 2015, 06:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 3-January 10 Member No.: 5156 |
I did not know about a good log for this problems. In the english Wikipedia is a small chapter of the failures of Spirit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(rover...ar_and_failures
I am also interested in such a timeline, it could be interesting for the Wikipedia. Here is a list about the equipment failures I know: Opportunity: - A) The shoulder of the instrument arm stopped working at Sol 654 (November 25, 2005). The Joint-1 azimuth motor stalled because of increased electrical resistance (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_m...ulder_troubles). As I know opportunity does not stow the arm anymore and drives in a "fisherman" position over the martian surface. - Also Opportunity had problems with the heater. Opportunity happens to have a heater stuck in the "on" position that draws additional power. (see http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/mission/status_op...tyAll_2007.html, Sol 1316)- - C) One wheel cannot be steered anymore, and is locked in a specific position. But the navigators have learned, to drive with this issue. - D) Also, Opportunity drives backwards since many year , because there always had been elevated currents in one of the wheels. - E) The MiniTES does not work since the sandstorm 2007. - F) The Mössbauer instrument does not work anymore, but I think there is no exact time stamp since it stopped working, it was just a permanent degregation (as expected) - G) The amnesia events since one year (Wikipedia EN: Early September 2014) -------------------- Need more input ...
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Aug 17 2015, 08:19 PM
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Director of Galilean Photography Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 93 |
There's a couple of advantages the MER batteries have vs typical LiIon batteries here on Earth:
1. No high-temp storage or operation. How often is a laptop/phone left in a car or trunk in the heat? And turned on without waiting for the battery to cool down? Low operating temps extend battery life and prevent self-discharge. 2. Relatively low drain vs their capacities. While fairly large batteries, their drain doesn't look that large vs their capacity. During the highest drain activities in the daytime , the solar panel provides additional current. During nighttime the primary activity might be radio comms without movement. Laptop and cellphone batteries have frequent high-drain activities while disconnected from their charging system, ie watching a video over the air. 3. Relatively slow charging cycles vs their capacities. People need fast charging for their batteries, so consumer charging circuits typically charge at max rates - 1C/Ah typically vs what looks like .2C/Ah peak for the rovers. 4. Low-vibration environments. Well, other than launch and EDL, the vibration environment is pretty benign on Mars. Having to design for launch/EDL levels of vibration might also have endurance side effects - better connections, etc. Phones/laptops are often dropped or jarred on tables, etc. Probably a minor effect. 5. Individual cells are balance-charged. Lithium chemistries really, really hate being overcharged. What typically kills cheap laptop batteries is a design that uses a single charging circuit, passing through all the cells. These cheap designs cutoff charging once all the cells have reached nominal. If a cell reaches nominal early, it gets overcharged while waiting for the slowpokes, hurting its capacity and making it hit nominal even earlier the next charge cycle. Typically when new all the cells are more-or-less matched, but over time they drift apart. This is more important for LiPoly chemistries than LiIon, but it still matters for battery lifetime over a few hundred charges. People can tear apart used laptop batteries to get the "good" remaining cells for other uses. 6. Not charging to full rating. Continuously charging a Lithium battery to its full rating will also hurt lifetime. Newer laptops can be setup to only charge to 50-80% during the week and 100% on the weekends, or on-demand. Looks like other than EDL, the MER batteries kept below ~75% capacity. Old laptops used to keep their cells at 100% all the time while plugged in for extended amounts of time, seriously compromising their performance. Smarter chargers now charge to the requested level, and shutoff until the level has dropped an amount, typically 3-5%. They also can be setup so that the system load is not run directly off the batteries, allowing the charger to provide power directly to the system without routing it through the battery first. Also, the MER charging is always done in a pretty benign environment, with batteries that are presumably pretty cool. 7. No intentional deep-discharges. This, IMO, is the biggie. Looking at the graph in the paper, the only time MER batteries were ever deep discharged was the Spirit anomaly, otherwise they are kept at about 50% DoD. The anomaly drained her batteries to the cutoff voltage (Lithium chemistries are damaged when drained completely, unlike NiCd or NiMH. Batteries typically have a self-protection circuit that cuts the ground line below a minimum voltage during discharge.) People often drain laptops and phones until the battery is "dead" with the internal cutoff circuit activated - what's worse, they often turn the phone "back on" - with the phone off the battery rises slightly above cutoff, and during boot the power consumption is much lower so the battery continues to drain until the radios are activated and then the phone dies again. These deep discharges really hurt battery lifetime. I don't know how accurate the capacity measurements are for the MER batteries, typically a gas-gauge chip is placed in series with the battery and reports capacity basically by comparing current IN versus current OUT. Over time they need to reset their count by doing a "training cycle" - to relearn the battery capacity. Without these training cycles the reported numbers get more and more inaccurate - if you have ever had a device that went from 30% charge down to "OMG I'm gonna die" it's because its gas gauge needed to be retrained. The reported % number is based on a certain capacity, if your battery has degraded below that capacity number, as it drains the battery self-protection circuit flags a warning before it cuts off the battery, hence the OMG message. Typically there is a maximum amount the capacity can go down during each training cycle, so it might take more than one to become accurate again. Since there are two packs per MER, it's possible one battery pack could do a training cycle while the other is in use, but it doesn't seem like that's reflected in the graphs. Maybe they are estimating capacity based on the cell voltage, which is pretty inaccurate (hence the invention of the gas gauge chips). It does look like newer gas gauge chips model aging internally, not sure what was space-rated 15 years ago during MER development though. http://www.ti.com/product/bq27741-g1 is a sample gas gauge chip. I've done some embedded HW/SW development for cellphones and mobile devices using LiIon and LiPoly batteries, but I am not a battery engineer. -------------------- Space Enthusiast Richard Hendricks
-- "The engineers, as usual, made a tremendous fuss. Again as usual, they did the job in half the time they had dismissed as being absolutely impossible." --Rescue Party, Arthur C Clarke Mother Nature is the final inspector of all quality. |
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Jun 3 2017, 02:56 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 19-April 05 Member No.: 251 |
Do I remember right that Oppy's wheel motors have brushes? If so, how in the world (or how on Mars) can those brushes not be totally worn away? Yet Oppy keeps on going, and going, and going.....
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Jun 3 2017, 07:04 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1057 Joined: 17-February 09 Member No.: 4605 |
Yes, both drive and steering motors on Oppy are brushed which made good design sense given the 90 day, 700 metres driving distance mission success profile. The loss of the steering motor is possibly due to brushes as was the drive motor failure on Spirit, but given the staggering driving statistics for Opportunity the longevity of the motors is astounding. Well to be honest the Lithium Ion batteries are also performing brilliantly. I suspect that the lions share of the credit for both the performance of both batteries and drive motors accrues to the management of the MER engineering team and drivers.
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Jun 3 2017, 01:09 PM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 976 Joined: 29-September 06 From: Pasadena, CA - USA Member No.: 1200 |
The wear and tear on the brushes is proportional to each actuator use. If you take the current rover odometer, divide by one wheel circumference and multiply by 1500 (the gear ratio) you get a decent number (100 million revs) which is not too shabby but not too out of specs.
Oppy RF steering actuator if I remember correctly (it happened close to 14 years ago!) the most likely theory was that the magnetic detent came unglued and got jammed into the motor. Spirit RF (and at the end the RR) drive actuators instead were suffering from what appeared to be a contact failure between the brush and commutator as if there was a non-conductive layer deposited over time. We called that "napping motor". This is also different from the Joint 1 actuator on Oppy's IDD. That one was attributed to a broken winding wire due to fatigue caused by thermal expansion/contraction ultimately due to the stuck shoulder heater. All actuators on MER are brushed motors, except the stepper used on the MI dust cover mechanism. That one was built as an open loop control. Open loop is now also used on the three RAT actuators, but that is due to the loss of signal from the encoders due to wear and tear on the IDD flex cable). Now you know almost as much as what we tell to new rover driver trainees. Paolo PS: questions... longevity... incept date... Eyes, I only do eyes! -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Jun 3 2017, 06:16 PM
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Director of Galilean Photography Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 93 |
I envision a ceremony where new rover drivers are given The Tome, a collection of all knowledge on the rovers, that has a page on Rover Longevity that is just a URL to this discussion.
-------------------- Space Enthusiast Richard Hendricks
-- "The engineers, as usual, made a tremendous fuss. Again as usual, they did the job in half the time they had dismissed as being absolutely impossible." --Rescue Party, Arthur C Clarke Mother Nature is the final inspector of all quality. |
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Apr 27 2018, 01:03 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
Enhanced FHAZ of RF wheel from Sol 5066 (Parallel-eye 3D). Some Martian material seems to be sticking to the wheel strut. Compare to this image from Sol 1069: https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/f/1...VAP1151R0M1.JPG Most of the FHAZ images are dark so it is difficult to tell when the material first appeared. Interesting that the material is sticky. Is it possibly corrosive and might it pose an issue for rover safety? |
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Apr 27 2018, 08:02 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 21-January 10 Member No.: 5183 |
The wear and tear on the brushes is proportional to each actuator use. If you take the current rover odometer, divide by one wheel circumference and multiply by 1500 (the gear ratio) you get a decent number (100 million revs) which is not too shabby but not too out of specs. Oppy RF steering actuator if I remember correctly (it happened close to 14 years ago!) the most likely theory was that the magnetic detent came unglued and got jammed into the motor. Spirit RF (and at the end the RR) drive actuators instead were suffering from what appeared to be a contact failure between the brush and commutator as if there was a non-conductive layer deposited over time. We called that "napping motor". This is also different from the Joint 1 actuator on Oppy's IDD. That one was attributed to a broken winding wire due to fatigue caused by thermal expansion/contraction ultimately due to the stuck shoulder heater. All actuators on MER are brushed motors, except the stepper used on the MI dust cover mechanism. That one was built as an open loop control. Open loop is now also used on the three RAT actuators, but that is due to the loss of signal from the encoders due to wear and tear on the IDD flex cable). Now you know almost as much as what we tell to new rover driver trainees. Paolo PS: questions... longevity... incept date... Eyes, I only do eyes! I know I'm replying somewhat after the post, but I was wondering, given the fairly finite lifespan of a brushed motor (friction / wear-down) what were the advantages / decision tree of of the brushed vs brushless? I did find an interesting article on space-rated motors (below) where it was noted that a predicted (and seemingly solved) problem with brushless motors was that that the hall sensors are vulnerable to radiation damage. The below article includes testing & good pics of friction wear & tear caused by brushes. Article here: http://esmats.eu/amspapers/pastpapers/pdfs/2012/phillips.pdf |
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Apr 27 2018, 03:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1592 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
"Relatively finite." Are you using inductive reasoning to conclude that Opportunity's lifetime is approaching infinity?
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Apr 27 2018, 09:59 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 21-January 10 Member No.: 5183 |
"Relatively finite." Are you using inductive reasoning to conclude that Opportunity's lifetime is approaching infinity? Imagine the headaches that would cause! ;-) The article (linked above) shows brushes + friction = resulting in predictable wear / gouging. That cannot go on forever (!), so the motors, relative to other items on the rover have an end of life date. My thought was 'what wear is there in a brushless motor?' - which then leads to why didn't they use brushless - which then leads to advantages vs disadvantages etc... |
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Apr 27 2018, 11:18 PM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 976 Joined: 29-September 06 From: Pasadena, CA - USA Member No.: 1200 |
... My thought was 'what wear is there in a brushless motor?' - which then leads to why didn't they use brushless - which then leads to advantages vs disadvantages etc... We'll see Curry actuators how they survive there. Although I'm no expert, brushless require a more complex electronics, and if you think that electronics is more robust than mechanical components, think again. Out of 17 actuators we use almost every day, only two have issues) while most of the flash file system (which has no moving parts) have issues, and even Curry had some serious issues with one of the flash gates. If I had to rebuild MER all over again, I'm not so sure the brushed motors would be the first items on my list. Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Apr 28 2018, 12:17 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: 21-December 07 From: Clatskanie, Oregon Member No.: 3988 |
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Apr 28 2018, 05:39 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
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Apr 28 2018, 06:46 AM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 976 Joined: 29-September 06 From: Pasadena, CA - USA Member No.: 1200 |
The MER design has proven itself to be solid and reliable. I hope the design could someday be used again, perhaps with some upgraded electronics components and a different set of instruments. There are two things I would redesign: 1) Move the UHF and HGA to a higher place. So many times I had to negotiate the vehicle attitude with communication requirements! 2) have the solar deck tilted about 20 degrees. No more hunting for high tilt in Wintertime. 3) and of course I would like Google Fiber from Mars. Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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