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mcaplinger
post Feb 8 2019, 02:58 PM
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Some diminutive seems inevitable. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin her family referred to her as "Ros".


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post Feb 8 2019, 05:59 PM
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Indeed - she was not messing around- from that same Wiki Page...

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Raacke asked her how she was to be called and she replied "I'm afraid it will have to be Rosalind", adding "Most definitely not Rosy."
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post Feb 8 2019, 07:07 PM
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The spaceships are Webb, Kepler, Cassini, Galileo, Schiaparelli, and Hubble, not Jimmy, Joe, Gio, Gali, Gio, or Eddie. There is one notable exception to this rule, BepiColombo, which uses the man's full name. I beg of you, please do not perpetuate the disrespect of calling the rover by Franklin's first name. If we intend the name as an honor to her memory, then the rover's name is Franklin or Rosalind Franklin.


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post Feb 8 2019, 08:08 PM
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Only JWST uses the full name of person it's named after.

mcaplinger, the same wikipedia article also says "In the family, she was called "Ros". To others, she was simply 'Rosalind'."

I punt on this issue. The rover's name is Rosalind Franklin. use a text expander or shortcut if you have to.


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post Feb 8 2019, 08:12 PM
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How about RF?
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post Feb 8 2019, 09:04 PM
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I like the name, and it's a nice change and tribute to an underappreciated figure in biology. I wouldn't want to forever stick to abstract concepts and acronyms for spacecraft names.

If character limits are ever at a premium, stick with ExoMars (just like MSL or MRO).
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post Feb 8 2019, 09:48 PM
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The trouble is that a lot of people think of planetary rovers as their little metal friends, requiring an easy informal monniker of some kind, whereas they don't tend to feel that way about space telescopes. It's a difficult requirement to square with respectful commemoration of a scientist, especially one of relatively recent memory.

EDIT: Just to be clear I can see the merits of both. Honouring scientific achievement is a great thing, but so is the fact that ordinary people want to be pals with the robots who are their eyes on other worlds.
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post Feb 10 2019, 09:47 AM
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FYI, an abbreviation is a shortening of a longer word or phrase. A diminutive is a term that implies the smallness or an attitude of intimacy towards the referent. (E.g., "Bill" is an abbreviation of "William" while "Billy" is a diminutive.) Abbreviating Rosalind Franklin is apt to imply a diminutive.

In life, Rosalind Franklin was diminished by the theft of her work. In this new life for her name, I'll call the rover Rosalind Franklin. That has the same number of syllables as "phyllosilicates" and "Meridiani" and four fewer than "en-gee-cee thirty eight forty two" or "unknown ultraviolet absorber." It won't injure anyone's jaw to say it, and the extra half second can be used to remember how many women in science have had their perceived importance subtracted along with their names.
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post May 30 2019, 12:58 PM
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Just in case anybody missed it, Rosalind Franklin's Russian space uber also got a name as well – Kazachok!

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The trouble is that a lot of people think of planetary rovers as their little metal friends, requiring an easy informal monniker of some kind, whereas they don't tend to feel that way about space telescopes.

I honestly felt that way about Kepler to an unhealthy point that I often forgot about the actual Johannes Kepler... unsure.gif


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post Aug 9 2019, 06:40 PM
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Several sources, but especially Anatoly Zak, are reporting the ExoMars2020 parachute test just failed. Not a good sign at all for an upcoming launch. Parachutes are difficult.

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post Aug 9 2019, 08:41 PM
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Better to find out now then at Mars.

Last I heard the rover was still a go, but that was maybe 3 months ago when TGO adjusted its orbit for the rover (increased inclination from 73 to 74 degrees).


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post Aug 9 2019, 10:48 PM
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Of course Sojourner Truth's first name, taken alone, basically means "Rover".
Does that make it a rule-proving exception?
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post Aug 10 2019, 02:19 AM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 9 2019, 02:40 PM) *
Several sources, but especially Anatoly Zak, are reporting the ExoMars2020 parachute test just failed. Not a good sign at all for an upcoming launch. Parachutes are difficult.

Phil


It's interesting that parachute design is so different that knowledge and expertise from all the previous successful missions isn't as relevant; is there any technical reason they're not as reliable as thrusters and heatshield? MSL (and 2020), as well as the Vikings were much heavier; I would have JPL on speed-dial!
Some more (Google translated) details from a Twitter post:

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Parachute problem of the #ExoMars mission during a test in Sweden: only the pilot parachute worked. The copy of the lander, which fell faster than expected, will be recovered in the coming days. There will be more tests in the coming months


From https://twitter.com/andreabettini/status/1159848497761280002

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post Aug 10 2019, 02:55 AM
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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Aug 9 2019, 06:19 PM) *
I would have JPL on speed-dial!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here huh.gif


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post Aug 10 2019, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 9 2019, 07:40 PM) *
... the ExoMars2020 parachute test just failed...

Hi Phil,

I highlighted the word just because there has been an ESA report on parachute failure dated from June 28.Are you referring to a different, more recent, test?
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